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Hinman links Russell Arms to H & D Folsom. But it could be that if Wiebusch & Hilger went out of business around or immediately after WWI, Folsom might have acquired the brand name at that time.

I've got Russell Arms Co. made by Joseph Cap and H. Pieper, for Wiebusch & Hilger, very likely imported by H.&D. Folsom, who owned Crescent Fire Arms, who may have made Russell Arms also. Whew!
The ever expanding Folsom, and others, tradename list is here
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1OxZo5Tkvx2G8eYf747QR9B5RJdN6Siu5JGIhfguSXXQ

Which side of the Tariff coin did H.&D. Folsom fall on in the late 1880s? As far as I know, the following were adamantly against it:

Alfred Field(A.H. Saxton & George W. Korn),
Wiebusch & Hilger, LTD(Walter M. Taussig),
Schoverling, Daly & Gales,
Hermann Boker & co.(C.H. Graef & Herman Funke, Jr.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

A bit of information about Schoverling, Daly & Gales. As many of you know, I am studying guns made by William Powell & Son for my next book. I have spent four weeks at Powell's in Banbury copying information from their ledgers. Beginning in 1870, Powell began selling guns to Schoverling and Daly. That continued until 1 December 1876. I have identified no additional sales until 6 November 1879 at which point the company was identified as Schoverling, Daly & Gales.

Great. Gales was added in 1878 if I remember correctly. Completed sporting weapons or components?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

But before that let me recap a bit. Schoverling & Daly was founded in either 1862 or most give 1865. In 1868 Friedrich Wiebusch was listed as a silent or special partner and he expired in 1893, 2 years after August Schoverling. I'm fairly confident that Friedrich Wiebusch was founding partner in Wiebusch & Hilger(Hilger & Co. founded in 1848??) which arrived on the scene around 1876 and continued till say 1928. After Friedrich Wiebusch expired, Charles Frederick Wiebusch, William S. Hilger & M. Taussig were at the helm and were mainly blade peddlers. In 1892, about the time they were listed as the sole Sauer agents, they were in a tiff with the U.S. of A. over bowie knives, which they considered to be sidearms but the government didn't see it that way & they lost. The seem to have drug in some Belgian arms also and all appears to have left port at Antwerp. Getting back on track, in 1869/1870 Schoverling & Daly advertised as being an agent of William Powell & Sons and the scattergun in the advert looks to have the lifter action but the verbiage is as follows:
"4 systems - Lever Under Guard Double Grip, Side Snap, Top Snap Double Bolt & New Triple Fastening" and I am pleased to see
B. Jacob of Selma, Alabama as an agent. I think it was in 1871 or 1877 as I've gotten my dates crossed but surely in the 1870s, SD&G had a satellite office at No. 65 Weaman Street, Birmingham and that seems to be the address of Tolley.

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http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=235930&page=15

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

S&D and then S,D & G purchased finished firearms.

What about Baker & Kimball from Boston who imported guns from Christoph Funk?
Could be later than 1915, though...
Best regards,
WC-

Did anyone say Great Western ?

Great info guys, I appreciate all of it. Please keep it coming. Once I receive "The Golden Age of Shotgunning" (recommended by Larry Brown) I'll start the cross reference and chart creation. I anticipate posting the draft versions for everyone's view and critique. Hopefully at the end I'l have a fairly easy-to-use reference chart.

Thanks
Ken