I did not have buyers knocking down my door a couple of years ago for this Ithaca NID 16 ga field grade with 26" bbls - later extractor gun w/o indicators. Sold it for what I had in it after about 6 yrs of little use. Stock dimensions as I believe were close to 3" DAH and I couldn't hit anything with it. It also carried a little heavy especially compared to my 16 ga Sterlingworth.