Thank you all very much, especially Bill S, CMWill, Ken H, Bobby from GA, Jerry V Lape and Joe Wood. My amateur methods are not nearly so certain, and I have been doing the rat-tail and chainsaw file boogie, which hasn't really been the answer, and now I'll have to glass bed. Never again I hope, now that you fellows have clued me in on more surefire methods. I knew there had to be a way. Thanks so much guys.