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stan,
you were alienated by the way I asked the question? that's kinda pitiful. and whether you like it or not and call it a fad or something else, that's all it is. my earliest m21 skeet gun was made in the 30's and had 26" barrels. my latest superposed skeet gun was made in 74 and had 26" barrels. I doubt jack O'Connor was solely responsible for that. that's 40 years plus more on each end of those dates. just because you do something different from those in the past doesn't make them wrong and you right. and I bet if we all wait awhile, like every other trend in guns short barrels will come back again. maybe not, who knows.

I didn't buy the gun to "turn a buck". I bought it because it's a perazzi and seemed like a good deal. so i'm stuck owning a perazzi? that's like being stuck married to Jessica simpson or stuck driving a Ferrari. I think I can live with it.

what I was really wanting to know is, exactly what model did I probably have since it carries no model markings and all I have to go on is configuration and just how good were the factory chokes (both of which pretty well got answered by people who knew). also could I assume since it carries no import markings that it was bought in Europe and was brought into the US by an individual?

roger

Yes, a bit put off, roger. Nothing personal against you at all, but because you make the statement that long barrels are unnecessary. As Ted said, "unnecessary for who?". They may well be unnecessary for you, but for millions of others a short barrel is unnecessary. All those 40 years they were making the 26" skeet guns, remember they were making 30" guns, too. Why? Because people wanted them. One could more easily make the argument that 26" barreled guns were a fad, because the longer barreled guns were more popular before them, and now, after them. I would have been just as put off if you, or anyone else had said that short barreled guns were unnecessary.

I assumed you bought it to turn a buck because you said you "have pretty much stopped shooting shotguns", "it was cheap", and ""going to be tough to get rid of?". My bad if if I made a wrong assumption there. And, I apologize if I came off too harsh. It just bothers me when people say that something someone else favors is unnecessary. That is opinion, only. And this is only mine, as well.

All my best, SRH

mathematically they are "unnecessary". they're not necessary for velocity nor patters. and one can't blanket assume they're necessary for handling. if a buyer looks at 2 otherwise identical guns and picks the longer barreled one just because it has longer barrels they may be making a big mistake. the easiest to hit with shotgun I ever had was an Ithaca skb 550 12ga with 26" barrels. conversely, a Winchester 101 skeet gun with 26" barrels I don't think I could have hit quail running on the ground. I don't believe either would have benefitted from longer barrels. an army & navy SLE 12 with 30" barrels was also very easy to shoot well and if it had shorter barrels I think it'd have been useless as it only weighed 7# as it was and was a very fast handling gun.

30" barreled 21's and superposed's always felt very slow to me and savage/fox doubles were bad with short barrels and long ones felt like swinging a truck axle.

I've not quail hunted in a very long time and the only place I ever did hunt them was northeast MS where there were 2 kinds of shots: open bean fields or thickets you could barely see 20 yards and a longish gun caught on every vine and hit every tree trunk. after a week into the season only the remaining really stupid birds headed out in the open, the rest of the covey going into the thickest stuff they could find. one of the most useful guns I ever had for that was a pump with the barrel cut down to 18" and no choke at all.

roger

fnb25/Roger

Let me offer an invitation to come shoot skeet with me.
I am in Amarillo and it is a SHORT Texas distance from Fort Worth.

If you get to come, I will shoot my Tula choked Rottweil and I will ask my frind Charlie to shoot his Tula choked Krieghoff.
When I shot in Europe I used a Konrad Wirnhier shotgun to great effect and so when I came back to the States and the Rottweil came out, I just had to have one
We will all feel at home

Mike

p.s. Bet your barrels look like this


http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/perazzi-mx8-skeet-barrels-type-4-1000-shipped.207458/

Not to flog the dead horse tooo much, I never said I was against long barrels. If you or anyone else thinks that longer barrels are gonna make your day, I say - go for it! The fortunate consequence of freeing up 70cm, 72cm, and 75cm Perazzis that I would not have otherwise been unable to afford is much appreciated.
And I won't bother to examine the logical inconsistencies of the second part of your statement.

The only Perazzi book I know of is the one by Karl Lippard. Lots of good info and some minor misses of little consequence that have been revealed by time. Check Amazon. There is also a mass of information floating around on the 'net, and some considerable misinfo as well. Now that Daniele Perazzi has passed on I suspect that the opportunity for the definitive book has passed as well. Certainly an interesting history as well as a monumental series of guns.

JMO of course - shoot whatever you like

have a day

Dr.WtS

exactly like that except my rib is lower and the first vent is - what seems to me - inordinately far back, 2" at least, maybe nearer 3. I had lippard's book when I had my first perazzi. it was good in that it's all there is but it was woefully short of what a good book should have been. I doubt any will ever get written, like you said. I did have a book on Italian engraving, scarce book, can't recall the name, "something incisione something" I think. great pictures but not much in the way of history.

I rarely shoot anymore and then it's either garands, or sidearms useful with a chl.

thanks
roger

Well come and play and bring your rattlegun, we have lots of places to shoot the ought six and also places to shoot the sidearms.

And best part you only have to walk 10 feet to the shooting line
and rifle, pistol, and shotgun disciplines are wheel chair accessable

Bring lots of stuff to shoot and we can do it all.
AND the rifle and pistol shooting is FREE

http://arpc04.brinkster.net/
http://amarillogunclub.org/

Mike