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Hi can anyone identify this early Beretta sxs shotgun

It's stamped 1944 but no model??

Also any idea of value?

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Hello d19bjc
and welcome on your first posting

Interesting to see the stamp (ACCIAIO) INOSSIDABILE EXCELSIOR and then there's the ampersand floating at the end. Not sure on the modell, which might be found in a period catalogue(1944), but it appears to be an A&D Action Body with monobloc construction.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Was Beretta still making sporting firearms in the middle of WWII ?

Surprising date!

Quite sure it is a model 411E. What is the barrel length?

Greg

If possible, post an image of the underside of the forend noting any stamps on it.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Don't forget, Italy quit the Axis bafore VE day, and joined the Allies.
Mike

Not sure on barrel length till I get back home I think from memory there 29"

If its a 411e is that worth anything for the age?

Cheers

This sale may help show what a 411E might bring in the USA. As with all firearms, condition determines a lot in price / value

http://www.gunsinternational.com/S-O-L-D...un_id=100455295

A new, unfired 411E 12ga from 1950's was offered recently for about 2x that price.

They are great shotguns but not nearly as popular here as numerous other makes. It's all I shoot but I see 50x more Parker's Foxes Ithaca's.

Shoot it and have fun with it!!

I was hoping one of the other members of the Beretta Society would jump in here... For a Beretta, it is not an old gun. They have been around for over 500 years.

What we can tell from the catalogs, they started carrying British guns around 1920. By the 40's, they were producing their own, which leaned heavily on British designs.

Jim Bode published this last year. It is the 1940 catalog:

- Mod. 409bis 4 locks, receiver and tubes in Krupp steel, fins
- Mod. 409 PB 4 locks, Krupp receiver, �Prima Krupp� tubes
- Mod. 409E PB As above, w/ejectors
- Mod. 410 Piccione 4 locks, �Prima Krupp tubes�, special engraving
- Mod. 410E Piccione As above, w/ejectors
- Mod. 411 Piccione Extra 4 locks, stainless �Excelsior� tubes, sideplate, toplever gold pigeon inlay
- Mod. 411E Piccione Extra As above, w/ejectors

They were constantly seeking out sources for barrels. Krupp first appears in the 1930's.

Beretta broke with their tradition and produced weapons of war during WWII. The fascist pressure was unrelenting. Eventually, the Nazis attempted to control production. All the while, the Beretta family was quietly supplying the resistance.

To see a gun dated 1944 from Beretta is very unusual. It almost had to have been made for some one special.

Pete