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Stan,
Are you serious...do you really shoot beautiful mosquito eating Barn Swallows?
That must be illegal....shame on you.
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I shot one, franc. There was a pair that was intent on building that nasty mud nest underneath my carport, in one corner of the ceiling. Only one I've ever shot. The other one left and problem was solved. And yes, it is illegal. I chose to be a civil disobedient that one time. I accept your pronouncement of shame, and hope you have never done an unlawful thing, for that would make you hypocritical.

Larry, your (and whoever else believes that) idea about recoil jarring the rear trigger sear out of bent is wrong, and ya'll must have never worked on triggers. That principle is saying, "Whatever pull weight I have the front trigger, I must have the rear a pound heavier because of recoil." Three errors here. I will address two of them. First, I thought most all you guys defend double triggers on the basis of instant barrel (choke) selection. If so, what happens when the rear barrel is chosen first? You then have to depend on the front trigger sear staying in bent even though it has a 1/2# to 1# lighter pull. What then? Second, the ability of the sear to maintain proper engagement under recoil has much more to do with it being built with proper angles than it does the amount of trigger pressure required for it to "break". Light trigger pulls are not necessarily unsafe, or prone to jar off under recoil, up to a point. If you believed that, how in the world would you explain the tremendous recoil of a dangerous game double rifle, such as a .500NE. The pulls on a rifle like this would have to be horrendous if trigger pull weight was based upon recoil. That argument about recoil predicating a heavier rear trigger pull falls to pieces considering these.

MkII's proposal is much better thought out, and believable. However, after many years of shooting double trigger guns, beginning 54 yrs. ago to be exact, I want my triggers the same in pull weight, and I want'em light. I work on them myself to achieve that, and have never had one fire because of too light weight trigger pull upon recoil.

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I hear barn swallows are simply delicious.


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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Michael McIntosh has a good chapter on triggers ("A Toast to the Trigger") in his book, "Shotguns and Shooting". He refers to the "traditional rule" of optimum trigger pull being half the weight of the gun. But he also refers to a heavy target gun he owns with #3 pulls as feeling just right.

The reason he gives for the front trigger (he actually refers to "the first sear", which thus covers single triggers . . . except how do you know which sear is first if it's a selective trigger?) as being lighter than the rear trigger is that if your second sear is set too light, recoil from the first shot may result in the gun doubling.


Stan, note that it's not my idea. It's Michael McIntosh's. And note also that I raised a question--same question you raised, except in my case concerning SST's--about the logic of the 2nd trigger being heavier than the first.

Would be interesting to hear Crossed Chisels' take on triggers. (Or other contributors from the other side of the Pond.) Entirely possible that the slightly heavier pull for the second trigger comes from nothing more logical than "tradition" and "that's the way it's always been done". Perhaps with Mark's logic included, when it comes to DT guns.

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