ok I guess that I don't get PMs...but that's ok, now that Utah said "photobucket" (thanx Utah)...I'm sorta figuring it out anyway...this pic is not the Infallable of course, just the only photo that I had ready to go...my camera is on loan again ...I haven't figured out how to reduce the image yet, this is only a test, so I hope I can edit this if being oversize tosses a shoe into the machinery and stalls the thread or somthing...no one mentioned any pitfalls...so here goes...