Yeah, but I am a pass shooter- tower birds, storied Limey Shotgun Meister George Digweed how his 12 bore Perrazi O/U is choked. I'll bet you a pint and the Ballz and Bullcocks Pub that the old weed-digger prefers tight chokes- you don't crumble crows and wood pigeons at extreme yardage as he does with ease- with cylinder boring- None of my 12 bores, whether M12's or side-by-doubles, have anything more open than a Mod.--

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