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Originally Posted By: drduc
In the Napoleonic wars air rifles were used as sniper weapons. It was regarded as "poor form" to use a rifle that was untraceable by smoke so anyone found on the battle field with an air rifle was summarily executed. The big bore rifles currently available will move a lot of lead pretty fast. My 35 cal will put a 158gr bullet through an inch of plywood. I never tried anything tougher. It's MOA at 75 yds. I can't see past that.


Don't forget Col. Sebastian Moran tried to pick off Sherlock Holmes with an air rifle.

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bonney,
desperate times call for desperate measures,just wait until the deer are eating all yout wife's well tended flowers and you can't use firearms in the city.Something quiet is an advantage.
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Originally Posted By: Der Ami
bonney,
desperate times call for desperate measures,just wait until the deer are eating all yout wife's well tended flowers and you can't use firearms in the city.Something quiet is an advantage.
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I'll break out the crossbow in that case.

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bonny,
To each, his own.

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Originally Posted By: bonny
I'll break out the crossbow in that case.


I don't think a crossbow will put a deer down like this (start at 4:00 and ignore the fist bumping):



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Originally Posted By: Der Ami
bonny,
To each, his own.


I agree der ami. They are just not my thing.

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I have 2 big bore air rifles and both have taken big game. A .45 cal. Sam Yang and a 308 Exile by Dennis Quackenbush. Deer and wild hogs are no trouble for these two.
The Sam Yang is a production gun that with very little modification can produce well over 200 foot pounds of energy. I think that is approx. the same power as a 45 ACP. The .308 is a longer/flatter shooting custom gun that is capable of shooting coyotes at 125 yards. I guess they are not everyone's cup-o-tea, but I find them an engineering marvel and , well...just plain cool. As an added bonus, sound suppressors are readily available and completely legal on an airgun. This quiets them down considerably, as most bigbore airguns are very loud (think .38 handgun loud). 3500 psi of air being discharged makes a pretty good bang.

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Originally Posted By: Ironman5
modification can produce well over 200 foot pounds of energy. I think that is approx. the same power as a 45 ACP.


That is 50% the power of the 45ACP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP
Not even close to the 45-70
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70

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According the Quackenbush, their LA Outlaw .458 shoots a 430gr bullet at 732fps, which is 509fpe. A lot more than you need to put down a 200lb deer, I think.


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Sorry about the bad math. The .45 airgun (Sam Yang 909) produces 237 ft lbs. of energy stock from the factory and 367 ft. lbs. after modifications. That places it just a hair over the military loads for the 45 ACP.. Pretty impressive for a production airgun. I think high dollar custom airguns are achieving almost twice that power.

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