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Were not going to agree on this one. I wouldn't want to press a 10k advantage or more on someone who is obviously a novice, then realized her mistake prior to the exchange. I willing to bet most individuals on this board wouldn't either.

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Interesting post! I know nothing about Lefever, but know a 12 G "F" Grade, late 1880ies for sale. Nice condition, can you please tell me what the price range is?

Thanks,
Gunwolf

Hello Bob:

It is great that you received your money! It is very clear to me as to what she was attempting.

As a young man, a child perhaps, one of the first lesson in Life was to NEVER underestimat another person! Despite what they may look like or how they sound, ther are some very smart people out there! This woman was a grifter and she was good! I doubt that this was the first time that she did something that was less than "honest,"

Do not try to fool everybody as there are people who are smarter than you. Case in point,I knew this chap who was very smart despite dropping out of school after the sixth grade. He talked with a slow halting Southern accent and I would hear him say," Now you all don't use them big words on me." All along, he was well in command of he situation. Lol He was great at playing the game!

Stay well,

Frank

As far as I am concerned the matter is closed. I see no advantage in pressing this any further.

Lets reverse the situation. She buys estate jewelry. I inherit a diamond from my mother. I know nothing about diamonds. I don't even know how diamonds are graded. A friend of my bother in laws cousin who once attended a diamond show tells me it a C grade diamond. The dealer offers me $xxx. She pays me and I cash the check. On the way to delivering it to her I stop by another jewelry store and the jeweler tells me it is a B grade and worth $XXX + $Y. Am I obligated to deliver the diamond to the original buyer? Do I have the right to demand $Y in addition to the $XXX already paid before delivery?

If so, I think all commerce could come to a grinding halt. Think about finding a rare Corvette on a used car lot. You pay the asking price and go to pick up a friend to drive your car home. Meanwhile somebody stops in at the dealer and offers him more than you paid. Does he have the right to sell it? Lets say you actually take the car home. Somebody comes into the car lot and says, remember that Corvette you sold, I would pay you $X more for it. Can he come to your house and take it back?

I essence I feel that's what happened. I paid for the gun, the check was cashed and the gun was briefly in my possession while I inspected it. Maybe I shouldn't have given it back.

The only thing is that I am now gun shy of buying a gun from an individual. I am not sure that even if it had been through one of the online sales or auction sites I would have been protected.

Most likely I will continue to buy guns from individuals. If on a website I will look carefully at the feedback. If no feedback or if it is an individual I don't know who contacts me outside of a web site I will require that the transaction take place through an FFL. I will offer to pay the FFL transfer fee.

Bob, she agreed to sell you a gun and you agreed to buy it. You sent her money, which she deposited. Only after that did she get an inkling that gun might be worth more as a higher grade than she had known. So she tried to sell it elsewhere for more money. Without having returned your cash. She returned your cash when it became obvious that collector gun community, not just you, would be making her life difficult.

She is a snake and you have done well to come out even. Just remember, most aren't like her. Some....but not most.

Bob, many years ago I bought one of the rarest Winchester pre 64 Model 70 in "mint" condition for a song as they use to say. It was in a dealers rack, in plain sight and had been for sale for almost a year. It was in dirty physical condition but mint condition after a very careful cleaning. It was an odd caliber with several features which were considered not desirable to modern shooters. If it was not a scoped 30 '06 in those days selling it was a bear. Open sight guns with no means to shoot a scope just went by unnoticed.

Just by chance no Winchester collector had come across it or it would have been snapped up in a second. I paid asking price and had no regrets about paying about a fifth or a tenth of the true value. It occurred to me that the dealer bought it for far less than that and still made money so he was happy. Just not as happy as he would have been with today's internet and the ease of information.

With smart phones a smart seller can take and send picture to a buyer and remove almost all doubt about grade and condition to most degree. Visual inspection is still required to confirm the item. A novice seller will always be at a disadvantage to an educated buyer just as a novice buyer is at a disadvantage to a professional dealer.

If she is smart she will give this gun to one of the auctions to sell it for her. I think she was trawling and you just bit the bait. She was trying to figure out the market and used you. She was never going to sell the gun until she figured out what she had and made sure she got the best end of the deal. Had you found the gun pitted and ruined she would have claimed the deal was valid and you still be working to recover your money or even come to an adjusted price.

DrBob and the seller made a deal based on mutual mistake of fact; the mistake was discovered prior to delivery and the deal rescinded and buyer made whole. I'd hate to have to go to Nevada and try to enforce anything about it...Geo

Bob, congratulations on the recovery!

This was a private party sale. Just because you own some sort of a business doesn't make you a firearms dealer because you are selling a gun.

You inherit your Moms diamond and are told it is a c grade 1.5 carat gem and you sell it as that online. You provide photos of the gem some while it is on your Mom's hand. On the way to the meeting in a mall you go into a jewelery store while you wait for your buyer and find the gem is a C grade but weighs nearly 3 carats. Are you obligated to sell a 3 carat gem for the price of a 1.5 carat? Should you ask for more money in addition to the money sent for a 1.5 carat gem?
A department store advertises a TV online for 2500.00. But no one catches a mistake in the decimal point and the ad says 250.00. Over 5000 units are sold and some cks are cashed before someone looks into why so many units sold so fast. No units were sent out prior to them realizing their mistake, what is their obligation?

Other than the stamp on the water table what are the differences between a B grade and a C grade Lefever?