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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTf1siNx5_4

A "classic" end to a a Morris Marina.

Wonder how a Volvo would have stood up to that??

Forgot to answer your question Buzz:

The two VH12/32s weigh about 7-3/4 pounds, both 2 frames. Right or wrong I shoot 2-3/4" factory loads in them. 1-1/8oz, 3DE

The VH12/30s weigh 7-1/2 pounds. All 2 frames. Factory 2-3/4"

DH12/28" Damascus 6-3/4 pounds, 1 frame. Low pressure reloads, 1-1/8oz

VH16/28", O Frame - 5-3/4 pounds. Factory 2-3/4" 1oz, 2-1/2DE.

VHE16/26", O Frame - 5-3/4 pounds, factory 2-3/4" 1oz, 2-1/2DE.

BHE16/26", O frame, steel barreled - 5-3/4 pounds, factory 2-3/4" 1oz, 2-1/2DE.

VH16/28, 1 Frame - 6-1/2 pounds, factory 2-3/4" 1oz, 2-1/2DE.

AHE20/26, O Frame steel barreled, 5-3/4 pounds, factory 2-3/4" 7/8oz 1200fps loads

Also I have reloaded 1-1/4 ounce pheasant loads for the steel barreled 12 ga Parkers.

I am shooting factory shells in most of these guns that are of a higher pressure than the factory loads concurrent with the guns' manufacture. I have measured wall thicknesses of barrels and chambers and am satisfied. If I blow my fingers off it will be my fault.

Buzz do you think any of my sixteens are light enough to make grouse guns? I have never been ruffed grouse hunting but the sixteen 1oz 2-1/2DE load was plenty for the Sharptails in Montana.

Thanks Mike. Absolutely your 16b Parker shotguns would be the perfect and classic grouse gun. I like mine to be 6lbs or a bit less. You definitely need to give grouse hunting a try with your Brittany spaniels. I think you would love it.....it reminds me somewhat of quail hunting in a dense mesquite thicket. FUN!!

That is fun. Amazes me how the bobwhite always puts any available tree between me and him.

Have you found a bird dog puppy yet Buzz?

I left out a gun:

DHE16/32", 7-1/4 pounds. Factory 2-3/4", 1oz, 2-1/2DE

Grouse are the same way in that they are uncanny at placing an obstruction between you and them. With pointing dogs 2 hunters is best as one might get a shot. I've never hunted with flushing dogs but have been told the grouse are more worried re a moving dog than the hunter and therefore a single hunter can get a shot. In terms of a pup, a good friend from Alabama gave me a Pointer pup from outstanding breeding. And I can only handle 1 pup at a time, so I may wait on a Brittany pup til next year. Best, Buzz

Congratulations on your new bird dog puppy!

Best,

Mike

No, not at all. I just think the term is so subjective that it can legitimately be used by one person on an item that to another person it would not fit.

To me the Anson & Deeley action is a 'classic' in that it was a real design innovation that changed the market and has endured. Matters not who made it.

The Westley 'drop-lock is a 'classic'. But is the Field 'Gun of the Future'? That is also old, but was failure can it be a 'classic' on the fact it is old or dismissed because it was failure?

For guns, I'd reserve the term in my own usage to guns and models that were typical of type and successful in their time:
Beesley 1880 self opener
Grant & Hodges side-lever HG
Holland 'Royal'
Baker 'Climax'
WR 'Droplock'
Greener Facile Princeps,
etc

A hard one to make a real axe for though.

CLASSIC .... (adjective)- judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.
(noun) - a work of art of recognized and established value.

The Winchester model 12 is a classic.

Ah, so then you agree.