'Let the condescension and patronizing superiority begin'. Well Drew, I can understand your sentiment but it does not appear that has happened, at least not yet. Personally I am fond of AH Fox, Parker, Win 21's and Elsie's. But, I have to tell you I am more fond of English guns. And it seems one can pick up a nice English boxlock for less than one can most of the American 'classics' ESP the graded ones. Also, most of the English guns are 'graded' with superior engraving. In terms of sidelocks, there is no comparison in quality of LC locks to most English guns, specifically those with intercepting safety sears. Having said all that, I am very fond of my Win 21's which IMO are very fine guns and constitute the epitome of the American 'classic' at least to me. It's hard for me to argue with Ted on all of this.