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Beautiful gun, I'll buy it today for $4,300! My 470 Evans is 12147 and was built in 1919 so I'd say this one is dated correctly. That's one of the highest grade Evans I've seen and looks to be in very nice condition.
Enjoy it!
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Rocketman's brand value and condition chart is very interesting, but he doesn't clarify every estimate he posts for individual guns. For instance, he isn't clear on where Evans boxlocks stand versus sidelocks. It's been a while since he posted his entire chart, with names, and instructions on how the multiplier is to be used. Evans guns are very confusing for retailers of double guns, identical guns being priced from $3000 to $12000, the $12000 examples sitting on internet sites and dealer racks for decades. I have a dog in this fight because I own a pair of very high condition sidelocks, stocked to the fences. However, I would be the first to admit that they are not $12000 guns, not with Webley actions, wonderful though they are. The poster's boxlock has the nicest engraving I have ever seen on an Evans, but, somehow, Don Amos came up with a pretty fair selling price for an Evans boxlock. He may have erred on condition because some Evans guns are real light on case colors, even the day they leave the factory. The oil at the butt, and lack of blue on the trigger guard and heel and toe plates probably swayed Don's estimate to the low side.
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Serious question here, JBG. A what price would you have to really think about it? I agree that this is somewhat out of the normal envelope and am most interested in what potential customers for such a gun would think correct.
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eightbore, post or email me a good description and/or photos of your guns and I'll run through a valuation for you or for this thread (as you wish). I guess I've posted this enough that I sorta assume many/most are familiar or will ask questions. I'm always checking to see if it works for today's market. Anyone else care to offer what they think is a fair value. Note, a gun must be for sale before we talk price.
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Yup, JGB, "highest grade you've ever seen" but still a Webley boxlock, non original case, and half of a pair. Don asks about our opinions of his estimate and I think he is right there, as I stated in the previous post.
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Want to be careful about overstepping my bounds here, but I think this gun is located in Canada. That affects potential selling price. If sold to a Canadian buyer, Canadian prices tend to be a bit depressed when compared to American prices. I know I have used Don's chart to value guns and it's usually pretty accurate in my experience, when it's a US gun. Not surprising because I believe the chart is based on US market prices. My personal experience is that Don's chart is a bit high if the gun is for sale in Canada. Also, most American models tend to sell at a discount up here. I would be interested in the opinions of other Canadians who buy and sell regularly like Mark Dube or Gunsaholic. Of course with our dollar plummeting against the USD, that equation mat change in the near future.
Regardless, I think it's a beautiful gun and would look great in my safe. Don't have the 4k handy right now and of course we don't know if Oberndorf even plans to sell it.
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Very beautiful looking gun and it would be a joy to own. However, I have to echo the statements made by canvasback about the market for these guns being depressed in Canada compared to the US. While the gun looks to be worth every bit of $4000.00-$4300.00, I think in Canada one would have to resign himself to the fact that it would be tough right now to realize $4000.00. Of course I have been wrong before and I hope for Oberndorf's sake, if he plans on selling, that I am wrong again. When it comes to a fine gun such as this you never know what someone in Canada might dish out.
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Hey guys,
I have been looking for a nice British boxlock 12 bore and haven't seen a nice one for less than $5.5-6k available in the US. Nice Webley 701 and 702's are over $5k and this is a much nicer gun. Assuming the bores are a reasonable thickness I believe it's a great buy at $4,300.
Just my opinion.
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For instance, he isn't clear on where Evans boxlocks stand versus sidelocks.
The differences among boxlocks and sidelocks are covered in the market valuation Original Quality grade. Sidelock ejectors go from OQ1 (best work, but not extra finish best work) to OQ2 ("A" grade) to OQ3 ("B" grade) to OQ4 ("C" grade - a rather Spartan model). Sidelock non-ejectors get a one grade ding. Boxlocks pick up at OQ5 as a "best work" gun, OQ6 as a "second grade", OQ7 as a third grade", and OQ8 as a "colonial or farmer grade." Boxlock non-ejectors get a one grade ding, also (a colonial grade BLNE is OQ9, as low as it gets).
The Evans name is settled at Brand Value level two, as opposed to BV1 and BV3. We to have consensus it is an Evans and a high grade gun, but not a best work BLE; therefore OQ5 1/2. That leaves only Current Condition level. I thought CC3 "Significant use" as opposed to CC4 "Heavy use but no abuse" or CC2 "slight use." If we would raise the condition to CC2, the valuation is BV2-OQ5 1/2-CC2 = $5,500; I think that is too much. I could see CC2 1/2; BV2-OQ5 1/2-CC2 1/2 = $4,750. A similar gun in sidelock ejector would be BV2-OQ2 1/2-CC2 1/2n = $11,000.
The poster's boxlock has the nicest engraving I have ever seen on an Evans, but, somehow, Don Amos came up with a pretty fair selling price for an Evans boxlock. He may have erred on condition because some Evans guns are real light on case colors, even the day they leave the factory. The oil at the butt, and lack of blue on the trigger guard and heel and toe plates probably swayed Don's estimate to the low side.
Does the above discussion answer some questions? More questions?
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