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Chopper, try blowing smoke with a thin plastic tube into the drainage or vent holes in the lower rib while plugging the other if there is more than one (and there usually is) you will quickly see any smoke issuing from any gap in the ribs. Just my 2cents' worth. Chopper
_ Most of the guns I deal with are English or Euro. They generally didn't include that extra hole. Probably because they didn't see the need for one, with a good solder job in the first place. I don't think this is a mountain vs. molehill issue. I'm talking potential and common sense. If you don't operate in that fashion, it makes little difference to me, others may. Jim
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I'd be interested in hearing a very reputable gunsmith like Mike Orlen's views on the subject. I'm sure most smiths don't fix a seam by hauling off both ribs and doing a resolder job. I can speak for the integrity of A&F's smith, Adolph. He was a master and could work on the innards of any very high quality double gun. Chopper
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Any "gunsmith" who stated that he has never seen rust between the ribs of a double gun is only a "master" in his dreams.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."
"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."
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Originally posted by Hudson Valley Frank:
Mike Orlen did my Remington 1900 about 16 months ago. The top of the top rib near the breech came askew. Perfect job, looked like new. I've put about 900 rounds through since and now the rest of the original solder came loose. The work Mike did was excellent just bear in mind he's only fixing a small part. The rest may last forever or not. This time I'll have to bite the bullet to have the whole thing relaid but I do recommend trying to have the small area you're talking about done first.
Frank After reading your post I had to ask Why would you recommend having a small area fixed ? It's pretty obvious in your post that the small repair effected the rest of the solder. L.F.
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I doubt Mike's repair had a detrimental effect on the rest. More likely, whatever caused the first part to go, finally got the rest. We also don't know that Mike didn't recommend a better look or complete relay. All we know for certain is that the partial repair didn't solve the entire problem, so whatever was spent on the initial repair, was money down the drain. Sometimes we gamble, sometimes we lose when we do so.
All I'm saying is that an educated assessment is in order, especially when it concerns safety. A loose rib can be a sign of a safety related issue. Other than that, I don't really care if you run some 3/16th bolts through both ribs to hold them on.
Jim
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Below are photos of a H&H hammer gun @ 1900 that I just removed the rib from. The break in the solder showed up when I was refinishing the barrels, as bubbles coming out over a length of about 2" either side of the rib. After removing the rib, two things are apparent; the loose area was about twice as long as I thought and the amount of rust suggests the gap has been there for an awfully long time. Fortunately the barrels do not seem to be deeply pitted but I haven't started cleaning the area up yet either :>( :>) In the photos you can see the underside of the rib above the barrels. cheers Doug  
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Do you have a picture of the barrels before you removed the rib ?
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No: there was no particularly visible gap but during the rusting process of rebrowning them, I pour hot or boiling water over them. The bubbles were quite noticeable then. During the rusting phase, you can get a dark strip along the rib where it is not rusting properly because of oil migrating out of the crevice. I have had similar indicators (oil smears) on damascus rifle barrels when the rib is partially loose.
Most of the rust on this gun appears to be from the bottom of the rib and strangely there is very little pitting for the amount of rust.
cheers Doug
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My, that's graphic. Good photos Doug.
"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."
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Great photo for people that believe they don't rust under the ribs.
L.F.
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