Originally Posted By: PM

Were not comparing 16 bore upland game guns to DG bore rifles here. There are no illusions; DG bore rifles are heavy but the Holland 8 paradox when compared to like weapons shoulders and swings like a much lighter gun. It will be interesting to gather some data on this. Which "like weapons" are you consideing.

When it is between your hands and on your shoulder it does not feel like a 15lb gun. That may be subjective and jmo but I would not be the first to voice it in this century or the one previous.

W. J. Jeffery Double Rifle BLNE, .600 NE, 24" bbls, 14 3/8" LOP: weight = 14# 8 oz, balance = 5 3/8", unmounted swing = 2.7, mounted swing = 14.89, compactness = 9.29

CSMC RBL Sporting BLE #RBL00439, 12 bore, 32" bbls, 14 3/4" LOP: weight = 9# 5 oz, balance = 5 1/8", unmounted swing = 3.25, mounted swing = 11.17, compactness = 12.73

Comparing the .600 NE to the above 12 bore, the .600 is 56% heavier, unmounted swing is 17% less effort, but mounted swing is 33% more effort, and the .600 is 27% more compact. The higher compactness of the .600 allows for unmounted swing with less effort than one much lighter gun. However, the .600's compactness is not sufficient to overcome the extra 56% of weight, so more mounted swing effort is required. Handles like a lighter gun? Yes, in some cases.

"JMO's" are valid for subjective. However, I have found that JMO's tend to follow published opinions and expectations. You gotta admit that H&H did hype the Paradox.

The game gun pair comparison was given to give a visulation to those totally unfamiliar with NE rifles, gaige rifles and Paradox type guns. There is no point in comparing a game gun to a Paradox other than for objective curiosity - they just don't overlap in purpose.

DDA