Yes, that's close Lloyd. I have looked at the SKB and to a lesser degree some of the Miroku guns. The most basic Model 100 SKB is usually acceptably light and could be, with a little work much lighter. The Miroku/Browning BSS is normally on the heavier side. As the SKB guns moved up through the higher grades they gained weight due to longer BT forends and ejectors. The later SKB's with choke tubes are not part of my observations. One of the things with the Ithaca/SKB guns is a high, flat rib as compared to a game type rib that would be the norm on a W&S gun.

I look at quite a few guns for sale with a very critical eye on weight. It would appear that most English box lock guns are 5 1/2 to 6 # in a 20 or sometimes a 16 ga. will be right around 6# plus or minus a couple ounces. Nice and light. The problem for me comes in with the care and feeding of them. Some enjoy the process of reloading, I do not. I do know that there are companies that cater to the short/light/low faction. In my own lazy or practical manner I like being able to go just about anywhere and pick up a box of 20's or 12's and have a hunt.

As I stated above, aesthetics would almost always go to the hand finished gun.

To my original and to me most important question. I would like to compare the two gun's measurements. I am mostly interested in 12 ga guns. The dimensions of the 20 ga is useful to me also.

Chief