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What is the weight of the gun and what is the weight of the barrels?

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Sorry about the above. I've been away for a couple of days and just scrolled down to Fletchedpair's post on the same subject. Lagopus.....

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Has anyone to duplicate this cartridge?and to make setup
today what woukd the formula? I like experimenting with
the old cartridge to see if they be duplicate today.

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Has anyone to duplicate this cartridge?and to make setup
today what woukd the formula? I like experimenting with
the old cartridge to see if they be duplicate today.

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Great rifle, and a terrific job researching it's history!
It is interesting, that it lost quite a bit of weight, with the new bbls.

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Wow...congratulations buck. That's incredible and fascinating.


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It is interesting, that it lost quite a bit of weight, with the new bbls.
-Bret Adams

Hello Bret Adams,

You are not quite correct about the weight. - The rifle did not get lighter.

The weights given in the John Dickson ledger are:

weight of the rifle, 10 1/4 lbs
weight of the barrels, 5 3/4 lbs

The weights given in the Alex Henry ledger are:

weight of the barrels, 7 lbs 10 ounces
weight of the barrels, 7 lbs 9 ounces (not sure why the double entry with 1 oz difference)

So, the barrels actually got almost 2 pounds heavier, therefore the total weight rifle got heavier.

The rifle, as it sits on the postal scale, weighs 12 lbs 2 ounces, unloaded, and 12 pounds 7 ounces loaded.

THANK GOODNESS ! !

It kicks enough at this weight, I couldn't hardley shoot it if it was any lighter.

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Ahh, I missed that. That makes more sense, starting with a 12ga frame width.

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Hello All,

Well I finally received all the accessories that were purchased with the rifle; the brass, and dies, and bullets. I got 101 bullets. They are 650g lead with 2 grooves. I got 103 pieces of 20-.577 brass with the rifle. NICE! Of the 103, 38 were used, and 55 were "brand new". And the dies? WOW!! What a set of dies. They are huge. Pictures below is the 20-.577 sizing die, along side a std 30-06 sizing die. Big difference. These dies are 1-1/4" thread, compared to the std 7/8" thread. Unfortunately, my press won't take dies this size; I'll have to modify the press.



But, not to be deterred I used the dies by "hand-loading" with them similar to the old fashion "Lee" tools. I hammered the cases into the dies with a mallet. It took a while, but I got 10 loaded. I used the lead bullets because I wanted to try 650g bullets as the rifle was originally regulated for that weight, albeit nickel plated bullets, not lead. But I paper-patched them to keep the bore clean. Paper-patching them made them a bit "large" - .588 dia - but I was able to pound them into the cases, and still get the cartridges into the chambers.



Here are the first "comprehensive" field results. 10 shots, fired in groups of 6 and 4.



I'm very pleased with these results. The velocity is a bit higher than expected; 1604 ave. I will cut back the powder by 3 grains and try again tomorrow. Since most of these shots were "crossing" at this velocity, I'm hoping they'll uncross at a lower velocity. I'm very happy with 9 out of 10 going into a 4" group. Recoil was the most of any of my doubles, with recoil energy being about 49-1/2 ft lbs. The highest of my other doubles being the 500 BPE at 35 ft lbs.

After absorbing nearly a quarter ton of energy from this shooting adventure, I was looking for a lion to walk through the range.

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buckstix,
I believe it will be harder to modify a press dimensioned only for 7/8" dies, to accept 1 1/4" dies, and in the end the press may be ruined.New presses to fit your dies(will have a 7/8" insert)will be fairly expensive.They can be found in the used equipment market, at a much more attractive price.Several different "makes" have models that will work, including RCBS, Herter, Lyman, and maybe others.It dosent hurt a thing to have more than one press( I have 5-my grandsons will be in good shape).
Mike

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