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Anyone else see this? CA lead bullet ban bill



How many humans are sickened from ingesting lead bullet fragments? How are bullets even remotely analogous to house paint and children's toys?

It appears this is limited to bullets only, but the camel's nose seems seems to be headed for the tent.

I have never heard of anyone getting sick or dying from lead exposure of bullets. Its probably justified by some tree hugger college researcher with a personal agenda against firearms.

Well bullets do of course kill things,,,but this seems like pure bulletshit
franc

It is pure bullshit, and as far as I am aware it has not yet been signed by the gov, but has been passed by the assembly and senate. The version I read covered all hunting ammo, not just bullets. So kiss off CA dove hunting if this thing gets signed.

Lead bullets have been banned in the CA condor range for years, but condors are still dying of lots of natural causes. Who'd a thunk it?

I'm afraid nothing short of a nationwide tax boycott will reign in governmental madness. Steve

I hate steel as much as anyone else, and I doubt very much that lead pellets are a serious problem in upland hunting. However the effects of ingested pellets on waterfowl have been known since the 1920's; large numbers of ducks died from ingesting lead from sandy bottoms before the lead ban. There is no question that condors and a lot of other scavenging birds are dying of ingested lead (to say nothing of the rodenticides that are very widely used in agriculture). Apparently the biggest problem for condors are ground squirrels shot with .22's. Currently, every condor in California is trapped annually and undergoes a process like dialysis to remove lead from the bloodstream.

For anyone interested in the science: http://www.peregrinefund.org/subsites/conference-lead/2008PbConf_Proceedings.htm

The attempts to save the condor are well documented. In more that 40 years it has failed to re-establish. It has been selected for extinction and will only survive in a man made environment

I SUSPECT that the condor is doomed like the other "Ice Age Megafauna" that sustained it at the height of its populations.

It got an artificial(i.e. man-made) boost from the livestock practices of the Spanish and Mexican Californios, whose "rodeos" and "matanzas" killed thousands of cattle for their tallow, hides, and horns, and left the bulk of the meat for scavengers.

Anglo meat transportation and thrift finished that and the big birds were left with an unsustainable population, just as even bigger scavenger birds had been at the end of the post-glacial "wet spell." You can see all this in skeleton form at the La Brea Tar Pits museum.

I don't condone pollution, including lead pollution. But I think we need to set priorities, and work on existing populations of game and wildlife that have some chance of surviving. The condor seems to me to be a bad investment of scarce resources all around.

I think we are stuck with hunting with steel shot and expensive alternatives, as a matter of bird conservation. Wish it weren't so, but it seems that's the trend, politically and scientifically.

Centerfire rifle bullets aren't such a dire proposition, since there are decent non-lead CENTERFIRE alternatives and have been for some time.


But rimfire ammunition is a real dilemma. "Green" rimfire ammo is not very adequate in expansion or accuracy, in my experience, not to mention being too expensive for many shooters. The present nonlead bullets are wounders or ricochet prone--or both--as well.

Since at least a big part of the impetus for these new laws is purely anti-gun and anti-2nd Amendment, I suspect that the lead ban will soon be extended to TARGET ammo, probably on "public health" grounds.

That WILL be deadly. To our sport.

The whole thing is a plot to stop hunting. First in CA. Then the nation. These people have no real science behind it. Make it harder or more expensive to hunt, and you will loose hunters. Condors done eat doves, quail, or pheasant etc.
What the antis don't think about is this will bankrupt the refuges they love to bird watch at for free.
Don't give in. If you stop hunting that is what they want.
Jerry

I have been on that peregrinefund.org website that LGF placed above, looking at their lead ammunition studies in the past when Ben Deeble would drop a load of anti-lead ammunition links. This is easily refutable crap and junk science intended to eliminate hunting. Lead bullets and shot will persist in the environment for hundreds, if not thousands of years. If it was really a problem, lead shot in lakes and coastal hunting areas would still be killing waterfowl. It's not. Nobody cleaned it up, and the bottom gets churned up from storms, etc. to expose old lead from pre-steel days. Once the anti-lead people got their way, the ducks suddenly stopped dying. Imagine that!