I've always believed the guy who saw them "laying all ove rthe ground at his club" was seeing Federal wad psrts, as Johnpe said. I'm hoping I have a lifetime supply of old AA shells. I do if I don't live too long. I guess for 28s I'll switch to AA HS if I run out of the old ones. They are now longer than the early HS. I don't see myself switching to Remington shells. They all have that "reversed foreskin inside the primer hole that makes seating primers fully difficult, if not impossible. This is for loaders like my Grabbers, that seat primers with spring pressure. Maybe when Remington switches to shells made by Baikal to match their POS guns, Winchester will wise up and bring back the real AAs.