How could it be that jOe’s #4 copperclads weigh 4.6 grains and a Tungsten 9 weighs 1.3 grains or 3.5 times the weight of a tungsten 9 and that both are almost dead even in penetration at 60 yards if shot at the same velocity out of the barrel? The major factor would be surface drag. Assuming a diameter of .1290” for a lead #4 compared with the #9’s diameter of .08”, the surface area of the 4 is 2.58 times that of the 9. Not only does air slowdown a moving object but so does bone and flesh. The smaller, but denser tungsten shot is less affected by drag in air and bone mass than the heavier, larger, but less dense #4 lead shot. Is one better the other? No, dead is dead, but the advantage with tungsten super shot is more pellets with denser patterns, resulting in lighter loads and smaller gauges being effective turkey guns at ranges equal to or greater than the domain of lead shot in 12 gauge guns. jOe, no question your doubles are “classy”, but we have the photo of you and the mundane caught with blood on your hands.

I offered you the use of my working-class single-shots, not to make a fashion or social statement, but to give you an opportunity at my expense to see for yourself as to whether or not our “pixie dust” is what we say it is. The offer stands. Gil-obble.
It's quite evident from reading your post that TSS dust has effected your sense of reality....turkey killing is not just all about penetration.
I hate you perceive me like you do I can assure you I'm no screwed up SxS purist of some sort....
Most of the time I hunt alone...I guess I'm trying to make a fashion or social statement for my dog....
I rarely post pics because of jealous internet stalkers like coosa and now you
Although my SBE is a superior killing tool I like the old SXS's...that's the only reason. I'm not a rein-actor nor am I living in a fantasy land when I hunt with them.
Gill I once thought like you...
I was once a "hole counter"....like you I thought one needed a gun that would but hundreds of pellets in a 10 inch circle at 40 yards to kill a turkey. Hundreds of turkeys later I learned otherwise.