doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com The old girl still gets the job done!

Got the Harrison that I just bought out to shoot some planted birds this AM. Last day for preserve hunts in PA. I am sure it is old hat to many of the members of this board, but dropping birds with a 120 year old gun amazes me.

She looks good doing it too!

All ready!


A few of the days take;


CHAZ

lovely gun.

Good looking backseat driver.

Now let us see how you do with wild birds in fair chase this fall. CB

The only wild birds I have available are grouse, and 30" barrels and 8+ pounds do not a grouse gun make.
CHAZ

My goodness, your gun is merely a kid. I'm hunting with one that is 143 years old and its elder, 146!

Great photos of yours. Looks like a nice gun.

cant wait to try this one out on the skeet range.

WOW! That gun will put a ripple in your sheets

My Joseph Lang turned 147 this year and when I do my part, she does hers. I plan to take her bird hunting on March 6, 2016 to celebrate her 150th birthday.

Aren't older women great!

Better to shoot the gun at clay targets than at tame birds planted for killing not sport. This is bogus hunting. CB

cb: ditto

I certainly respect your opinions. While I am OK with farm raised and released birds, I can't feel good about pigeon shoots? Everyone decides what is "fair chase" for themselves I guess.

Perhaps if I lived in the UP or SD I would feel differently about planted birds, they are kind of the "only game in town" for me. Even the "wild" pheasants in PA are just farm raised and released by the DCNR.

I would think anyone uncomfortable with the shooting of gamebirds wouldn't be involved with vintage shotguns.


CHAZ

cherry bomb, lighten up. Call it what you want, when this is the only game in town you do it.

Or you get out of town to hunt. We go 45 miles (minimum) for ducks, sometimes 400+, one-way. We usually go 300 miles for doves and quail, 150 for chukar, 400 for pheasants, 200 for pigs, etc. If I want to stay "in town" I can shoot clays. Just my preference.

I have a job and a young family, finding a morning to drive 35 miles and apparently murder farm animals is tough for me.
CHAZ

Been there, done that. When the kids were still living at home, we'd leave at 9:00 on Friday night and get home at midnight on Sunday. Do it when you are young, because it's not as much fun when you get old.

I supervise the second shift and my wife is a teacher, so from Saturday morning until Sunday night is the only time I see her all week. Make scheduling a bit tricky. I get out weekday mornings, but there just isn't enough time from getting the kids on the bus until getting ready for work to drive far enough to get to birds.

I finally found a place with woodcock about an hour from my house last year and the county closed it off as an RV park this year. To be honest I feel worse shooting a wild gamebird whose population is dropping than I do shooting a bird who was hatched and raised in captivity. Do those of you who dislike shooting farm raised birds only eat steaks from wild bovines?

CHAZ

Been a long time since I had a steak that didn't come from a wild pig, elk, or deer, but that's because my friends hunt more than I do and they can shoot but they can't cook. It's not an ethical thing for me, it's just that hunting means finding and pen raised birds don't take much finding. Taste good, though.

Hoof

You shouldn't feel the need to explain yourself to anyone. Some are blessed to have wild game in their backyards. Some have the means and time to travel hundreds, if not thousands of miles to hunt wild birds. We're not all able to have those luxuries. Keep enjoying what you have.

Cheers
Marcus

X2

Smartest answer yet.

Hoof

I'm glad you had a chance to try out your new gun.Do what makes you happy.

What I actually posted;



What some of you apparently saw;


CHAZ

You make an interesting point here Hoof. Speaking of murdering farm animals, I wonder if Cherry Bomb is a vegan?

I've only ever hunted wild birds, but I'm certainly not going to pass judgement on those that hunt released birds, due to circumstances. At least your out in the field Hoof, doing what you enjoy, as opposed to sitting in front of the computer throwing bombs, as it seems some like to do.

Fine looking hammer gun, by the way, and that chukar doesn't look any different than the wild ones I shoot here in Idaho.

Whenever some one questions hunting ethics the first thing from the peanut gallery is the guy must be a vegan or anti. Nope I've been a hunter my whole life and I or friends eat every thing I shoot while real hunting. Killing tame planted birds because you rationalise how busy you are and have tto many commitments, too far to drive and want to kill something to take pix with the gun you are so proud of, and insinuating that is sport, isn't fair to the birds and it isn't fair chase hunting despite the fellows here writing each of us to decide for yourself what is fair chase, or going ahead to do whatever makes you happy. You can rationalise any thing that way. Some here should do serious thinking on hunting ethics and fair chase hunting beyond talk groups where you sit with your morning coffee or evening cocktail and are entertained and influenced by what you see and read, right or wrong as it is. CB

I prefer hunting wild birds, but I sure do miss the put and take hunting I did at Silver Springs SP in IL which was 25 miles from where I used to live. Silver Springs had 1,600 acres and they'd release birds every day. However, after a month into the season there were a lot of birds that had become pretty wild and behaved like wild birds. It made it similar to hunting wild birds during opening week of hunting season. In addition, while I don't care to hunt planted birds, they were sure useful when I was training my golden to hunt. You boys that have to take cheap shots at others (you in particular CB) need to climb down from your pedestals now and then and view the world from someone else�s perspective.
Steve

Some are just too self-centered Steve, can't help speaking from that narcissistic pedestal, displaying the struggle to maintain their elevation with awkward holier than thou poses.

Jay

CB, I took the time to read a random selection of your previous posts on a variety of subjects, in misfires and in the more popular areas of this forum.

I don't know if you are like this in real life but MANY of your posts are critical, judgmental and rude, IMHO. Lots of attitude but not a lot of contribution. While you enjoy your morning coffee or evening cocktail, you might want to do some serious thinking about that.

yep!

Keep one thing in mind. All the Ringneck Pheasants we have ever had here in the United States at one time stated out as pen raised planted stock. I once lived on 10 acres close to a put and take operation. Not all the planted birds were harvested each year and I'd sometimes harvest the holdovers on my own and surrounding property the following year. These birds were as wild at that point as any I've hunted in places like Nebraska.
Jim

Hoof, A big "Thank You" for taking the time and effort to include us in your hunt. And you have excellent taste in guns but I think you already knew that!!!

I feel much better when I shoot and eat a pheasant raised in a pen with ample opportunity to fly than when I eat a chicken raised with barely room to move and its beak cut-off to avoid damaging other birds. I still do both, however, since I am not able to eat only truly wild birds shot in fair chase instead.

Beautiful shotgun. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Didn't mean to open this can of worms.
Thank you for ALL the comments, good or bad.
CHAZ

I love the gun, the pics, and your dignified response. Thanks for sharing.

I personally use put and take hunting to start young kids, to please old dogs, and any dang time I feel like it. The negative comments surprised me, but some people just can't help themselves.

I think that's a fine looking double and dog.

Regarding shooting released birds, I never thought of it as "fair", but I never thought of anything related to hunting with any weapon as "fair". It's a legal activity. I do it from time to time. I also use trapped pigeons to train with. Sometimes I shoot them, sometimes a dog will rough them up or kill one. I can't argue that it is "fair" to the pigeons. Don't think it is. I still do it.

If we wanted fair in our hunting we would all be using slings and round rocks to take our game birds and would be reading the sling and spear journal. I prefer a fine double myself.

I don't get what Cherry Bomb's beef is. The liberated birds raised around here are raised from eggs in an incubator for the purpose of dog training or for game preserves, and some for restaurants. Otherwise, these liberated birds wouldn't even exist. And without them, and in this day and age with low wild bird populations it is next to impossible to train and steady a dog without tame birds. Give us a break Cherry Bomb. Your sentiment is ridiculous and 'for the birds'!

CHAZ,

Thanks for sharing - great gun, dog, and birds.

Since Cherry Bomb tells us he is not a vegan or vegetarian, I would guess his beef is the kind that comes from cows... domestic, farm raised cows... killed by a slaughterhouse and cut up by a butcher because he helped to create the demand for it. I would guess his leather shoes and belts come from the same non-sporting source. All because he didn't have the time or wish to drive hundreds or thousands of miles to kill an elk or moose to feed himself, nor the time to skin and tan hides to make shoes and clothing articles. But I could be wrong and he might be a mountain man with internet access. If that's the case, I apologize.

Cherry Bomb, definition: Big bang, little damage . . . unless you hold it in your hand when it goes off.

This has degenerated significantly

Lets get BACK to the old girl and ladies like her!!
PLEASE




Did you notice?? I threw in the towel

Mike

Mike,

What kind of gun is that - love the dog on it.

Baker

Here's a Husky from the 1880's that can still get the job done.


The older I get the older I like my guns to be.

Rick

Had to break out the 20 huh Mike?? Shame about those screws though.

Bakercollector
You NEED to get out of New York and come play