re weight, points clarified by Lloyd3 and L Brown are appreciated and of course valid. But, and it may be more appropriate in another thread, haven't we (English style game gun owners) sort of decided as a group that those vintage way light guns (well under 6 lbs) really aren't optimal? Am I not correct that current production (post WW2) best guns weigh in mostly from 6 to 7 lbs? Peruse the offerings at H&H or Purdey and you'll find most 12s are 6 1/2 lbs and up and most 20's are right on 6 lbs. If we're comparing recent Spaniards to vintage Brits, then there is some difference. But recent to recent comps seem to indicate that weights are pretty similar. Please do not send me single examples that show differences: there are ALWAYS exceptions. I'm saying in general that there are no weight differences of note between recent Brits and recent Spaniards.