Lloyd3, I have a 2" 12g Arrieta at 5lbs 14 oz. My Garbi 20g 103a weighs 5 lbs 15 oz. I have a Garbi 28 under 6 lbs. I have handled 12g spaniards at anywhere from 6 lbs 6 oz to 6 lbs 12oz, which is coincidently exactly the weight of my 1899 William Evans 12 g (6lbs 6oz) and my 1906 Lang (6 lbs 12 oz).

I think the idea that English and Scottish guns are more lithe is very subjective. Everyone concedes that Best English guns are the pinnacle. But Italians and spaniards get close at substantially better prices.