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Paul your talking about LC Smiths.
Handsome engraving, until you got to the Star Warz hunting scenes. Something very alien about their figures.

To my eye it appears that the best DE-/DEO- and EE-/EEO-Grade Remingtons were engraved by Joseph Loy, who also engraved many of the high grade early Ithacas. Remington picked up some great engravers when they bought Parker in 1934, getting the father and son Runge team. I'd love to get a Runge engraved Model 31, especially a skeet.

In fact, a buddy and I have considered doing an article on early engravers. You may be amazed by how many companies 'farmed' out the engraving work and how many engravers jumped from company to company...as did the general work force. As Dave hints, you'll find some of the "best American engraving", including high end Remingtons, on many other maker's guns. Please feel free to enlighten me if such has been written before in depth.

A lot of information is out there in bits and pieces, but if you could pull it all together with some added original research, I think you'd have a hit!!

Kevin McCormack did aricles on the Runge family in both The Double Gun Journal, and the Remington Society of America Journal. There is some pretty good information on engravers in the new Houchins L.C. Smith book, and Walter Snyder covers several that worked for Ithaca in his books. I know I saw an article on the Glahns somewhere, but I can't lay my hands on it right now. I know that in an old magazine article on touring the Fox factory Capt Askins mentions that Billy Gough head of the engraving department at Fox was the day he was there engraving a pistol. We know for sure that Gough engraved a lot of Winchesters during his time at Fox. Outsourcing may not be as new as we think!!

I was runner up bidder on this EE. I wanted it bad and it went for a decent price I thought but I couldnt justify the price at the time.

Here are my CEO and CED 12ga guns with different styles of engraving.

Here are my B grade Damascus non ejector guns. Im sorry about the large pics, I havent figured out how to make them small all the time.

Here is a small frame 12ga on a 16ga frame compared to the regular 12ga frame, you can see the trigger plate on the small frame gun goes all the way to the edge where the regular frame triggerplate dosent reach the edge of the reciever.

Here is what the unusual (for Remington 1894s)double underbolt gun looks like. Triple bolt on the left and double bolt on the right.

I don't think the "bridge frame" as Semmer called it is near as unusual as he first thought. Art McKee didn't think they were rare. They seem to be pretty common up to the 108xxx or 109xxx range.