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Bill,
It was Allentown where, while you and Peter were getting your trollers thru security and Kevin was parking, I was in the door, found and bought the CEO-Grade 12-gauge. My FE Trap Gun came from Jerry Smith. It is a shooter, with great dimensions and a "lovely" beavertail. Jerry was talking about it at one of our functions in Ohio, and I made arrangements to go to his house and see it after we got back. He said it came from an old Pennsylvania Pigeon shooter. I think it is safe to assume the chokes had been messed with as the right barrel has .027" and the left .018".
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When stripping an 1889 Remington hammergun I'm amazed at the workmanship and quality. I sold a nice 1894 to get my present 1889 and wish I hadn't. Don't be afraid of the damascus barrel guns- all Remingtons were nitro proofed. Paul
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I have a hard time keeping Researcher's Remingtons straight. So the gun I thought was an F Trap was a CEO. The 16 is probably not what I recall it to be either. I had my chance and the asking price slowed me down a bit. I will be offering an about mint 1889 10 gauge fluid steel gun at Baltimore on table B-4. It isn't cheap, but it will be the last of the best. No more Remington doubles after this one. This gun is new.
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"Rustic," in that it is an AE, and rather field grade plain in the wood.
Finding more, in less - not your rich uncle's - just your grandpa's bird and rabbit gun.
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Almost all boxlocks use a variation of the A&D action- Harrington and Richardson was the first to use the original WR A&D patent (under the eye of WR representatives it has been rumored) around 1880. They only produced ~ 500 > 1000 guns of very high quality, then Colt took up the torch along with Remington soon after.
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OK this thread and previous thinkings of the Remington 1894 got me all hot. I just had to have one to add to my American classic collection. To my fortune the local purvyeor had a re-finished 1900 (a 1894 with less embellishment i.e. engraving) 12ga 30" Fluid steel bbls on his rack that I just couldn't resist. I know it's a redo but the job was done first class and looks as new but for a few signs indicating it is a 100yr old gun. Earlier postings on this thread indicated that the design is an A&D design. I noticed no second or third bite and no through lug. Can someone help me on how and why this design works so well and makes the Remington reknowned for reliablity.
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William Heer carried the high average for 1906 of 96.3 % on 14,055 targets shooting a pair of straight gripped guns, a CEO-Grade and an FE Trap Gun. Researcher, Any idea what the serial numbers were on those guns? My CEO has a lot of finish wear on it and is straight gripped, could have been used on those 14055 targets 
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Anson & Deeley has nothing to do with the bolting, it has to do with the lock mechanism. The Remington Hammerless Double Barrel Shotgun was actually built on two U.S. Patents. No. 528,507 granted to Rimmon C. Fey on October 30, 1894, which really concerned the manufacture of the frame to essentially house the Anson & Deeley locks. The other was No. 528,508 granted to Rimmon C. Fey and George E. Humphreys, also on October 30, 1894, which covered the ejector mechanism. The bolting on a lip of the rib extension by a rim of the toplever is essentially a "third" fastener on all the Remington Hammerless Double Barrel Shotguns. Depending on grade, time frame or luck of the draw, Remington Hammerless Double Barrel Shotguns can be found with typical Purdey double underbolts, a single lug with a single underbolt, or most commonly the triple underbolt. Remington barrel lugs for single, double, and triple bolt.  I've got no information on the serial numbers of the guns William Heer used.
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The rustic charm of the 1894's ends with the very top grades - don't know if I've seen better engraving on any of the American classics.
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The 'EE' had world class engraving. No "stick" or Mickey Mouse gold figurines present,  that's for sure. Remington enployed excellent engravers. Just look at Model 31? at the National Fireams Museum (it's in same exibit as the Purdey game gun).
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