Thanks for this informative video. I always wondered how double muzzleloaders were breeched. I look forward to following the full progress of the rifles.
Cheers, Roger
C. Roger Bleile Author of American Engravers-The 21st Century FEGA Historian www.engravingglossary.com
Thanks for posting up this fascinating build! Having documented several projects in my shop, I fully understand how much time it takes to deal with the camera, edit, upload and post to a forum.
As you are a fellow Kansas craftsman, I am especially interested in your work. I like getting to know other locals who do hand work. We only live about 2 hours away from each other. I would enjoy meeting with you some time; if we can both put our work down long enough for a visit.
Another great segment, Colin. I especially enjoy seeing your file work. Looking forward to the regulation and soldering up, too.
You should really consider making these segments up into a full length DVD to make available to the buying public after it's all completed. It would be readily accepted, IMO.
Thank you, I'm glad you are enjoying the videos. I've been contemplating making DVDs of the 2 Bore Build. There is 10ish hours of video for that build and it takes 4 DVDs to fit it onto. I'm not sure how well they would sell though since these really aren't instructional videos. They don't actually go through all the set-up and fine details that are required to build the rifles, they are more like an overview of the process. Not to mention the fact that they aren't anywhere near professional quality.
I did get a quote from a company to reproduce a set of masters and label and jacket them for sale...the problem is, I would have to lay-out the money for a minimum order of 100 copies of the 4 disc sets and then I would have to find a way to market and sell them...and do all of this while I'm trying to run a business and stay on top of the three year backlog that I currently have.
It's a lot of time and money for something I'm not sure would sell all that well. I've had a book out in print for several years now on building a Caplock Lock from scratch and it is well detailed with a full set of drawings and instructions included, it hasn't sold all that well, so I'm skeptical about investing the time and money into producing the videos into a DVD format.
SOLD Due to some special circumstances with one of my customers on this project, I am going to make a special offer for one of the two 10 Bore Purdey Style Rifles I am currently building.
ONLY ONE OF THE TWO RIFLES IS AVAILABLE.
There will be a couple of option of how I want to proceed;
Option A: I will sell this as a kit that will need to be finished by the purchaser. The kit will include the Barrels(breeched, joined, ribbed top and bottom with ramrod pipes attached, refer to videos and picture), modified lock plates and all lock internal(one Left and one Right side), Forearm entry pipe, triggers and triggerplate, triggerguard, buttplate, NECG multi-leaf rear express sight, Silver caterpillar with flip-up night sight(pearl) Front sight, Rear sling button, Ramrod w/ brass tip, Jeff Tanner Ball Mould, Tang and the Walnut Stock Blank(nice grain structure with a little bit of figure in the butt). Basically a complete kit with most of the difficult work of breeching, joining and ribbing the barrel finishedthe kit would have to be completed(inletting of all parts) and then load work and regulation and all finish work completed. I will include a full size drawing with this option and would be available via phone or email to help talk you the buyer through finishing the project. The cost of this option will be $2,535.00USD plus insured shipping.
Option B: You can assume the place of my customer, by this I mean that I am currently 3 years backlogged but if you took over the current contract on this build you would get to be first in line as I finish this project with the matching rifle. It would not have to be a match, I can custom build this from this point forward to your specification regarding stock fit and finish(including upgrading the walnut blank if you want), metal finish(color case hardening, blue or browning), engraving can be upgraded and Checkering can be upgraded. It would still include the Jeff Tanner ball Mould and would be a finished regulated 10 bore double rifle when completed. This option would cost a Deposit of $2,535.00USD and then depending on if you wanted any upgrades we would negotiate the remainder of the balance(the original as specd was to have a finished price of $3,900.00 plus shipping), I am also flexible on payment options for the remainder of the balance and would be willing to work with anyone interested in having this rifle.
Option C: If someone wanted to buy-out just the original deposit on this project, I would then move this gun to the bottom of my build roster(3 year backlog) and give them the time to decide how they wanted to proceed with the build, including negotiating a finished price with any upgrades to wood, finish, engraving, metal finish, checkering, etcand would work out a payment arrangement that would work within their budget. This option is a slightly lower buy in and has the ability to save up for the balance over the next few years. The cost of this option would be $1,850.00USD with the rest to be negotiated depending on your specifications.
If you are interested in any of the options please contact me via email or by phone. My contact information is at stolzergunsmithing.com . This offer will only be good for a limited time(as I work on the other one of the matched pair over the next couple weeks) and then I will proceed with the build as specd by the original customer and try to sell it as a finished rifle.
With regard to changes: Basically anything that has to do with the barrels(Caliber, length, ribs, tang, rear sight) cant be changed at this point but any changes to the stock can be made at this point. I believe I have enough material in the blank to change it to a Rigby style pistol grip if that is desired and can include a gripcap in the changes if that interests anyone. SOLD Thank you,
Colin
P.S. I will continue to document the build of the other rifle with regular updates.
I was away from my work bench for a few days this week, its that time of year when certain farm chores have to be done, like burning the brush piles from all the trees that got hit during the winter storms and fertilizing the hay meadows so we have feed for our livestock next winter. I did manage to get the barrel fully inlet on this rifle though.
Colin, once again your posts with the video have proved to be very well done and of great interest. I certainly hope you continue them so we can vicariously share in the construction. Well done!
This week I finished nearly all the inletting. Ill be putting this one aside for a little while and working on the other one to get it caught up to the same point before I start doing the stock shaping, so it will be a few weeks before there is another update.
Where does the time go? Its been a month since I posted a new video, during that time I have done all the same work to the Maple stocked rifle as I have the Walnut rifle. And now I am busy shaping the two stocks to their proper dimensions. The weekly updates should resume for a while now until I get into the final finish work.
This week I didnt get hardly anything accomplished on the Load development and Regulation like I had intended to. You know the old saying, if you ever want to here God laugh tell him your plans. I planned to start doing load development on Monday and then move on to Regulating the barrels by the end of this week, instead what I got was Rain, Thunderstorms, high Winds and Tornadoes, nothing that favored being outside shooting. Needless to say I spent the bulk of my week inside my shop building a new shooting bench and target. So this weeks video for what its worth has my new range and an edited version of load development and regulation from a previous video I did last year.
Shotguns are easier to regulate and are more forgiving in using multiple loads because of pattern overlap. Unlike a double rifle that has to group pretty closely together shotguns only need to have a reasonably good amount of overlap in the pattern to work effectively.
For example; if a shotgun is regulated with say 1oz of shot and has 85% overlap in the pattern and you shoot 7/8oz shot and you only get 65% overlap in the pattern, that's still more than enough coverage to be effective. Whereas in a double rifle changing loads can have a drastic effect on groups.
It's not that you can't run multiple loads in a double rifle it just means you have to spend the time to work up loads that will all regulate to the saem point of impact/point of aim. I have a 450-400 3" Nitro Express that I have 3 different loads for. It is regulated for 400gr Woodleigh solids at 2150fps and shoots 2" aggregate groups at 50 yards. I have a 185grJHP load worked out for it that will shoot 2" groups at 50 yards and a 300gr soft point load that will shoot 2" groups at 50 yards. The 185 and the 300's were done by varying the powder and velocity until I found the right load that would match the lighter bullets to the regulation of the rifle. It can take a lot of range time and reloading and can be frustrating at times but if you don't want to shoot whitetail with 400gr solids it's nice to have the lighter loads developed.
That's great stuff you're doing there Colin.Very interesting. I hope you'll have em all in the same hole soon. That moving the bbls to regulate looks like nerve wracking work. I like that bbl tool keep it coming , & good luck franc
Its that time of year when even the easy work makes me poor down sweat, high temp and high humidity, just standing still in my shop was bad this week BUT the work has to get done. This weeks video includes sanding, polishing and finish screws fit up.
This week I spent filling the grain and applying the first coats of oil finish to the Walnut Stock. There wont be another update for a few weeks because my Wife and I leave Tuesday for a two week trip to Wyoming to visit family and go to her family reunion. My brother and I will be spending a day doing a guided float/fly fishing the Big Horn River and we plan to sneak away to South Pass to fish the stream up there.
I know its been over a month since the last update but there really wasnt any new information to update, Ive mostly been polishing metal and working on wood finish. While Ive been waiting on wood finish to dry, this has been slow going with the high humidity, Ive been working on a few repair projects unrelated to the 10 Bore builds.
Im back up to date on quite a few things so Ive been working on the engraving and Color Case Hardening this last week.
My Dear CowboyCS (Gunmaker) What a wonderful job you did there, man that is an amazing bit of work. I hate to ask, but what is the Hour Count on one of these hand made beauties? Well done Sir, really well done cheers Franc
We do appreciate your sharing the building of these rifles. It has been quite enjoyable and informative following you through the whole effort. Hope you see fit to do it again on another project.....
Thanks for the compliments guys, I'm glad you enjoyed the documented build.
Originally Posted By: Franc Otte
My Dear CowboyCS (Gunmaker) I hate to ask, but what is the Hour Count on one of these hand made beauties? Franc
Franc,
There's about 700 hours in the RH Walnut stocked rifle and about 800 hours in the LH Maple stocked rifle. The difference in hours is the extra engraving on the LH Maple rifle.
My Cartridge Doubles usually take me around 1200-1400 hours, the extra hours in the cartridge rifles is machining the action.
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