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I have a J. Stevens/Springfield double barrel 16 ga s/s. The only indentifying numbers are 5100 on the receiver but that is not a model number. Anyone know how to tell me to find the model?? I'm trying to find replacement parts. Thanks

Yes it is.

Thanks for the response, but the 5100 is a receiver style. That basic receiver was used for a lot of cheaper doubles under different brand names. Plenty of people list these as model 5100s but Stevens nor Springfield ever made a model 5100 gun.

It is not a straight line, you can't find two points and draw a line between them!! Seems like someting was changing every year.

In 1936 J. Stevens Arms Co. began phasing out their old G.S. Lewis Patent 1,136,247 action with coil spring driven strikers guns, the Stevens No. 330 (or 331 with single trigger), and the Springfield No. 315 (or 315ST). These were replaced with the new 5100 and 5000 actions and became the Stevens No. 530 and the Springfield No. 515. The main difference in a 5000 and 5100 action is the sculpting of it, most of the internal parts are the same. The Springfield No. 311 continued to be made with its plain walnut finish stock and forearm on the old G.S. Lewis action. In 1940, Savage introduced their Fox Model B with a bit nicer profiled action, but many of the same internal parts as the 5000 and 5100 actions. Prior to WW-II the Stevens No. 530 had a capped pistol grip and the various Springfield No. 515s had no cap, but both guns had checkered walnut stocks and forearms. Then in 1940 they introduced the Stevens No. 530M with the Tenite stock. That remained the offerings through 1946. By 1947, Savage had consolidated their arms making operations at the old Stevens plants at Chicopee Falls, Mass., and in the 1947 Savage/Stevens/Fox/Springfield catalogue the Tenite stocked double with the 5100 action was called the Springfield No. 311. By the 1948 Savage/Stevens/Fox catalogue the Tenite stocked double was being called the Stevens Model 311 and they no longer mention a cap on the grip of the Stevens Model 530. By the 1951 Savage/Stevens/Fox catalogue the Tenite stocked gun was gone, and the Stevens Model 311 had a plain walnut finished wood stock and forearm, the Stevens Model 530 had a checkered walnut stock and forearm and the Fox Model B had a checkered walnut stock and forearm with a capped grip. The Stevens Model 530 remained in the offerings through 1954. By 1955 it was only the Stevens Model 311 and the Fox Model B and the new Fox Model B-ST.

The old wives' tale about the Tenite stocked guns is that stock wood was in short supply during WWII. Per Researcher's post above, the Tenite stock appeared prior to the war. It was actually an attempt to offer a slightly less expensive gun. The 1940 Shooters Bible lists the 530M (Tenite) at $22.95 vs the 530 (wooden stock) at $24.25. Back then, guns were priced VERY competitively, and a $1.30 difference--especially on an inexpensive gun as we emerged from the Depression--was significant.

I think Stevens 311 parts should work?

Ah, yes, Tenite. Our introduction to "The Wonderful World of Plastics," our generation's great--and, you better believe it, lasting--"legacy." (Need good luck? "Tock, tock, tock--Knock on Tenite"!).

Does anybody else have all the variations of the classic Stevens Model 124?

Seriously, I think SOME 311 parts might work, but you need to look for the earliest you can find. The 311 series went through a lot of modifications over its many years of production, some worthwhile tweaks, some just cheapening of production. But an early one might be close to your gun.

It's a model 5100 Stevens.
311 Stevens parts might fit but there's also a chance they won't or you'll have to do some fitting.
I thought the 311 replaced it just before WW2, but they are the most confusing bunch of models and numbers of any I can think of.
When they appeared and when the disappeared don't really effect me much.
I would just try to keep the basic types sorted by looking at the side of the frame at the pins so I could ID them right for repair.
I mostly avoid them now but an 80's production 20ga 311 may make an appearance in the 'Sow's Ear to Silk Purse' catagory one of these days. My God what a club!!

Here's "high grade" SS I own marked 5000 on the receiver. Nice case color, raised rib w/ twin ivory beads, Red Head pad, checkered stock & BT forend and the most figured wood of any gun I own. I guess the capped grip makes it a pre-war 530?

Disregarding the WOW wood; that's the best condition 5000 I've ever seen. My dad's 5000, with better than normal wood, but not a good as your's, was a 16. One of my sons has it now.

It has many years of hunting dings and putting the bottom of the receiver on a fence wire to cross.

The twin beads would have been standard on a 530, per the 1940 Shooters Bible. I'm guessing that's not factory wood, at least not the stock. The same Shooters Bible said Jostam pad was standard, but that's not the reason I don't think it's factory wood. Just way too fancy. I was going to add that the forend's not a very good fit in the closeup either, but the catalog image I have of a 530 looks like it may not fit very well on that gun either.

Many years ago, I did a "silk purse to sow's ear" modification of a Stevens 20ga, with nice custom Bishop wood. Looked OK, but still a sow's ear the way it handled.

Recoil Bob's looks factory to me; especially the not so neat factory checkering and the flute is just where it should be. I saw a 5100 recently on GB with XXX wood. The checkering looked factory and there was a pic of the butt under the pad with the assembly letters stamped in.

If Recoil Bob removes the looks to be original or time period pad, he just might see the assembly letters that match the gun. A 5000 might have a serial number.

Along with the intoduction of their new 5000/5100 double barrel action design, J. Stevens Arms Co. offered a beavertail forearm Skeet Gun version called the No. 500 in 1936 and 37 --



However, my listings only show the No. 500 coming with the non-selective single trigger.

I saved pics of the gun that was on GB about 6 mos ago as I have interest in ordnance guns. Yes, it was an ordnance gun.

Could it be that Bob's is a skeet gun? That BT sure looks longer than my dad's 5000 with a BT. There is a partial pic of a 5000/model 500 skeet in one of my books and it sure has a big BT.

The book prices say about 3 times a regular 5000. I bet one would bring more than that as scarce as they are.

If Bob's gun is a Skeet 500, it would be the first I ever saw.

The gun that 2-holer pictured has a longer and more pronounced pistol grip than any I've seen, but the checkering sure looks factory.

Recoil Rob! Recoil Rob! (first fist fight was in 3rd grade, a kid kept calling me Bob. Second was my last, outside a bar when I was 19. Won the first, lost the second).

Gun has the same serial number on the water table, buttstock, forend wood, barrels and forend iron, C 36793. Never would have thought to look.

Don't know that we have many Springfield Stevens collectors here but I had listed it on GB earlier today. If anyone here buys it let me know and I'll send Dave his money.

That's probably attributable to a little camera 'fish eye'

I'll be darned. A Diamond Grade Stevens!