The reason we're here and not there, George, is because of civil tongues. My day job is finding solutions to protracted social problems. It always comes down to the social. Everyone here is against grabbers. We go adrift when members forget manners and Dave shoves us off into a corner where we belong.

The current Scientific American has an article on "logic compartmentalization,"of how interest groups like ourselves fall on their swords by allowing myths to dominate i.e. young earth-old earth, evolution-creation, climate change etc. We beat each other up instead of widening the tent to get on with it.