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Can anyone assist in identifying / info /cal / year / value,
of a: C krummel Eberswalde, Prima- Kruppscher, Fluss Stahl,
Tri barrel hunting rifle, 16/1 118/35
serial Number: S 16128
Stampings on the barrel indicate:
29 SCh. P N/A
27.GBl
any help would be appreciated,

exsilky,
For a proper ID (if possible), photos will be needed.Include photos of of all marks,including the proofmarks under the barrels.The following is a "stab"at it using the info you provided.It seems the seller was C Krummel from Eberswalde.The barrels were madw of "Prima" Krupp,fluid steel.It seems to be chambered for 16ga in the shotgun barrels.The 16/1 is the dia. of the bore ahead of the shotgun chambers.The 118/35 is the bore(not groove or bullet)diameter expressed in ga.This mark can be found on rifles chambered for one of several 9.3mm cartridges and some 9mm. One of the most common would be 9,3x72R. The proof load was 29grams blackpowder and 27 grains lead.All this is subject to correction or revision, depending upon new info/photos.Additionally,the gun was likely proofed between 1893 and 1911. I hope this helps.
Mike

Thanks for ther info so far,
How do i get these photos to you,

exsilky,
I meant to post them.I am not able to tell you how to do this, but someone here can. Raimey, can you help him?
Mike

Ok
I Have looked through the site and cannot find how to post photos,
My email is
exsilky@yahoo.co.uk
Can i send them to you via email

Here's the instructions. http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=148935#Post148935

If you cannot make it work, send the pics to me and I'll post them. My email is in my Profile. Daryl

Hi Daryl
i have emailed the photos & details to you, via your site details,
please let me know if the are ok or do you wish to have cleareer ones,
(which will have to be done with a different carmera)
Exsilky

I believe that SchP refers to Schultz Powder (Bulk Smokeless) & the 29 would be grains. Schultz was know as a 42 grain powder, meaning 42 grains was a 3 dram equivelent of it. This load could be dipped with a 3 dram Black Powder measure. 29 grains would thus be approximately a 2 dram equivelent load.
The 118.35 "Gauge" of the bore indicates it would accept a plug Gage having a .340" diameter but not a 108.49ga (.350") diameter plug gage. The Gauge size markings for rifle bores were discontinued in Germany with the 1912 rules of proof.
Prior to 1912 I understand German rules of proof required the same % of overload regardless of powder type. This resulted in a very excessive load for smokeless powders, so those makers who chose to have the optional Smokeless proof applied most often specified an underload as the standard, thus the 2DE with a fulll ounce of shot.
"IF" this 29 SchP referred to grams of black powder this would be slightly in excess of 1oz or 16 Drams of powder.

As I posted on another thread, he is missing a comma on the 29. It should be 2,9 or 44-45 grains coupled with an ounce of lead.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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