Sorry to hear that Joe is no longer with us. This forum is the best thing we ever did. I have met so many people who are as interested in prewar wood and steel handmade rifles as I am. Unlike many of you, I am not a refugee from another rifle site because I am a shotgun person and had to enjoy my custom rifles by myself until this forum was created. Here's hoping that no more of us leave in 2013. Bill Murphy in MD.