I probably have as many .410s as some people have.... (thought you had me there, huh?). No, I've not shot any dog trials with one, don't quite see the reason for that, but I've shot a few preserve birds with the .410. I see some sarcasm and cynicism in Ted's post but he is right on the mark when he suggests that some "wild bird" hunting and shooting is not exactly the harvesting of birds that live off the land and wear black or brown belts. His backhanded comments about the cost of the ammunition just lets us know that he is not an experienced reloader, nothing more. The cost of the ammunition has nothing to do with clean killing of our game. The bottom line is that bad shots (most of us who hunt birds) should not be shooting the .410, even at preserve pheasants, and good shots should be careful of the range at which they choose to engage their targets.