Thanks Ted. I wasn't trying to start a fight over the pros and cons of the 21. I think they are extremely well made guns with chopper lump barrels and very strong Winchester Proof Steel. They are a little heavy ESP in the 12 gauge. The 20's and 16's are lighter, but some of them even approach or exceed 7 lbs. 21's with ventilated ribs seem heavier than their matted rib counterparts, at least the one's I have handled. They are the only S xS that looks right with a vent rib and beaver tail forearm imo, which may be indicative of their intended and more appropriate applications??

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