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Hi Phil;
I am presently importing barrels from Gavin Gardiner's August
20 Glen Eagles auction. This is the second time I have imported barrels.

Wheither or not you need an ATF form 6 is based on the age of the barrels. The same as for guns. Pre 1898 no. Post 1898 yes.

You do not need an FFL to import barrels! You can do the peperwork yourself, and be the importer. No FFl gundealers needed!

Forms are available under ATF on the internet, and directions to fill them out. Barrels are imported under the classification "Implements of War". Both times that I have filed for the import license it took about 3 weeks. No problems!

Just with different customs agents here in the US. Specifically
The Port Of Los Angeles. The worst that can happen is you might have to retain a Customs Broker. Out of two shipments, both of barrels, and both requiring Form 6's, I have needed a Customs Broker. And that is because they were over $2000 in value. I believe a peculiar requirement of the Port of LA' bureacracy!

Anyway give it a try! It is always neat to try a new learning
experience! And the Parker barrel will have some additional endearment for you!
Herb

Bottom line, if the barrels were made after 1898 you need a form 6.
You can import small parts with a wholesale value of less than $100 without a form 6. But all barrels, breaching mechanisms, and receivers require a form 6 regardless of dollar value.

If a US citizen follows the advice of gunsaholic re carrying a gun over the border and then selling the gun in Canada..... they are in violation of the US Arms export control act and can find them selves in a world of hurt facing years in jail and huge fines. This is a no BS law, the Feds can turn your life upside down and inside out.

How is one violating the US Arms export act? I am talking a private American citizen that has a pal for Canada. An American citizen is legal to transport a gun within the US and come to Canada hunting or for sporting events without an export permit. Once the person is in Canada it becomes Canadian law. And the Canadian firearms act states an American with a pal can sell or give a gun that is registered in Canada to a Canadian while in Canada. It says taxes or custom duties may apply. I'm not telling anyone to do this. I am saying it bears looking into if someone is trying to buy a gun from an individual. I could see an individual breaking the law if the US required an American citizen to have an export permit to say transport a gun from North Dakota into Canada. But if no export permit is required for an individual to enter Canada with a gun, how is the law broken if once in Canada that individual can sell or give away the gun if it's registered in Canada and the American has a pal? As I said, it may be something that should possibly be looked into. If it can't be done then one would find that out when they check into it.

Step 1: become familiar with the difference between 'transporting' and 'exporting'.

Step 2: be aware this is a discussion of a potential violation of US statute (specifically 22 U.S.C. 2778), and has nothing to do with Canadian laws.

Step 3: Read and understand 22USC2778. Reading the statue is easy. It can be found here:

http://uscode.house.gov/search/criteria.shtml

Understanding how the law is applied is harder, and you will need an attorney who specializes in items subject to 22USC2778 to explain that to you. Bring your check book.

Or, you could just take Ken's word for it. It's Ken's business, and he has a very keen understanding of the issues.

Your call.

Did I not say twice that I was merely describing a possible way that might be a help for transactions between private individuals. And did I not say that if one was thinking about it, that it should be checked into first and then the person would know for sure if it could be done. And it's too bad that one from another country (and this forum is world wide) has to dig through US laws to have a discussion.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but what kind of "discussion" can you have if you don't know what you're talking about?

If you just want to make random noise, that's one thing, but "discussion" implies exchange of substantive information of benefit to both parties and unless you know what you're talking about (the laws) you are just generating random noise.

I left a message for the local ATF agent this afternoon. I will try to get all of the facts and share what I have learned. If I continue to persue the purchase, I wil share that experience also. This process seems to be a lttle confusing. I went to 3 diffrent FFL dealers here in Tucson, and eveyone of them elected to not get involved.