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I would like to purchase a Parker shotgun barrel out of Canada. I was told by the Gun shop in Canada that I needed to take a filled out ATF 6 form to a local FFL and have him put his FFL number on the form have me sign and then send in the form to the Director of the ATF.I am told that the ATF must give their approval and send back authorization to import.
I have now gone to 2 local well know gun shops and have been told this is not necessary and do not want to do the paper work. Can anyone tell me if they have ever imported just a barrel from Canada and is this a requirement? I am about to give up trying to buy this barrel. I would appreciate feedback from those that have actually brought a barrel in successfully.
Thanks Phil

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/laws/

Phil, you could probably find the answer in the link above, or you could call your nearest ATF field office for an answer if no one here has personal experience with this dilemma. But I have found that different agents at different field offices can come to different conclusions about what some of the regs actually say.

I've imported 2 guns from Canada, but not gun parts. You could look on Firearms Canada for their rules too.

From this webpage
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-215/page-2.html#h-6



EXPORTATION OF FIREARMS � LICENSED INDIVIDUALS


The following provision is not in force.

7. An individual who meets the requirements of paragraph 38(1)(a) of the Act shall, before exporting a firearm that he or she does not intend to reimport, provide a customs officer with an authorization to export issued to the individual for the firearm.

SOR/2004-270, s. 4.




For Firearms Act 38(1)(a) go to this page and scroll to the paragraph. http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/F-11.6.pdf

Canada's laws are more frustrating to follow than ours. I just say no to buying from Canada.

I may need to call the seller and let him know that will need to decline. I would love to have the barrel, but the FFL's I have used for years want no part of this. Further I am told it takes around 60 days to get a permit to purchase. If there is anyone that knows the ropes I would love to hear from you.

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Phil

Phil,
I applied for and received an approved ATF Form 6 for importation of a gun, (twice for the same gun actually, since they expire after a while). My friend took that and applied for the paperwork on the Canadian side. He showed up at the border to drive down here and was detained for hours and eventually turned back, by Canadian officials. I don't think even they know their own laws. My friend sent it to a Canadian dealer to attempt it again. That failed after many months of waiting. One of our members here volunteered to assist and finally got it moving to an import company in Glasgow MT. That LC Smith took about 2 years to get down here.

Years later, I had purchased a Superposed 2 bbl set from a Canadian dealer and they assured me that it would be smooth and take only a few weeks. It to over 6 months.

The thing is that neither of the two governments have a process that would prevent import/export of a illegal firearm, since neither side physically examines the guns. You could fill in the forms stating the gun was a singleshot rifle and send any kind of weapon in the shipment. The process is all BS and completely worthless to anyone.

Chuck, I believe I have used the same company in Glasgow to export guns from the US into Canada. They were great to deal with and everything went very smoothly.

Now that I live in Ontario and am often down near Detroit and Fort Erie, I have contemplated trying to do it myself, as I have a friend who lives 20 mi from Fort Erie on the US side. Might not be worth the hassle.

I didn't think a gun part, other than the action was considered to be a firearm. Would I have to jump through all these hoops if I was importing a trigger guard? I doubt it.

You might be surprised. Customs people, on both sides of the border have wildly varying ideas on what is legal, or should be, and what isn't. Many years ago, friends of mine went fishing and drove through customs easily on both sides. On the return trip, a female Canadian customs agent found the driver's homemade match safe, consisting of a 20 gauge spent shell stuck in a 16 gauge spent shell. 4 hours, an interrogation and a cavity search later, he was allowed to pass. The same group made the same fishing trip a few years afterward without the owner of the match safe, who swore he would kill the next Canadian customs agent he crossed paths with. They sailed right through, but, mentioned the trouble they had to a different customs agent. He snickered and asked if it was a short, fat, homely, lady that detained them, and, of course, they remembered that. "She did that to lots of guys. She doesn't work here anymore".
More snickers.

Best,
Ted

There are A-- holes that work in every occupation. In fact being A-- holes is their life's goal. It's too bad.
You know, for a Canadian wanting to buy a gun from the US,it might not be that big of a hassel if the seller in the US had a PAL. The seller would have to come into Canada with the gun, say on a hunting trip. If you look at the Canadian firearm's regulations, it says an American who has the Canadian firearm's licence can sell a gun to a Canadian once on Canadian soil if the Canadian also has a PAL. I guess they figure the American that has a PAL has already been checked and has met Canadian requirements so once in Canada it is treated as any other Canadian firearms transaction. This is talking for sale of a "used gun" between private individuals.
On the subject of gun parts, I have bought parts a few times for some of my vintage Mossberg .22's from Numrich and they were sent through the mail with no problem. Parts that are not restricted of course. I don't believe a shotgun barrel is considered restricted.