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Well, it looks to be pre 1912. 39 grams of English Schultze powder with 35,5 grams of lead shot. The fella with the sporting weapon is ole Nimrod himself.

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Raimey
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can you please tell me how to date this gun what to look for??)

Pin pointing the exact year is probably not going to occur. year. The proofs on the gun were not required until 1891 and since there is no crown over N or Nitro it was probably proofed prior to 1912. So it was proofed with the alternate proof method the law provided hence the Schultz powder markings. These load markings disappeared around 1912. After 1912 nitro proofing stamps came along. It also lacks any number code for date of proof or production so that sort of reinforces my estimate of production between 1891 and 1912. Tread lightly on your loads as this gun wasn't meant for US standard ammo pressures - the wood is a hundred years old and doesn't need the pounding either. The pictures of the inside of the Nimrod action that Ramey pulled up are quite interesting. I have the feeling the Nimrod was sort of a field grade gun, not a high value item when new. I have no experience with this type action so can't help you with it's foibles. I note the crown over W stamps which tells you the barrels are choke bored (probably tight full)and the 13/1 indicates the bores are between 12 and 13ga which is also common on German guns. The 12 in the circle is the shell size which in this case would be 12ga 65mm. The 65 is a default length unless stated otherwise. This is an old gun and lots of bad things could have happened to it over the years so have a qualified doublegun smith check it out before use.

Jerry is spot on and even taking the Sauer patent date would not narrow the date range. But, but seeing that there was quite a bit of effort from the Sauer concern with the 3 Ringe Spezial Gewehrlaufstahl tubes, there might just be a Sauer serial number of datastring either on the lower rib or on the tubes between the flats and the forend hanger.



Ads for the 3 Ringe stahl seems to appear circa 1895. It wears a unique/early 3 Ringe Spezial Gewehrlaufstahl stamp atop the tubes. That coupled with the "Crown" over a Gothic "F" as a volunteer semi-smokeless proof makes it an interesting piece. Sch. P. - Was it Schultze or Schwarzpulver?




1907/1908 advert

http://www.deutsches-jagd-lexikon.de/index.php/Nimrod-Gewehrfabrik

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Raimey
rse

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Here's a stepped water table(lightweight) version and it has the "Crown" over "N" voluntary proof.



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Raimey
rse

The patents for this Thieme & Schlegelmilch design are DRP 68535 from 1891 and innovation DRP 70868 from November 1892. I can post these if anyone is interested.

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Raimey
rse

wow so much of interesting information thank you guys))) gun is in good working condition and i have already fired it love it's accuracy. I paid $800 for it do you guys know how much this gun may worth???