I may have posted this before but if so I apologise. I own a couple of newish Hollands (not sure for how much longer looking at the way this year has been) but early last year took delivery of an AYA No.1 deluxe in 20 bore. I was in one of the big London gunmakers showrooms to buy some cartridges and to take it to the shooting school for a few lessons. As the head of the gun room said "Buggered if I know how they do it, 90% of the quality of a London best at 25% of the price, if you hid the names most people would never know". The gun is lovely but I would never put some of the loads you chaps over the pond use in your guns, best, Mike
