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Sort of a side note on this Fs. Dumoulin & Co. that utilized Sauer 3 Ringe Stahl tubeset 123.28(1928) where you can still see the "Crown" over "S" on the tubes.


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

There is single, double and triple provisional proof of chambered barrels completed except for the chambers.

See here
http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_All_Proofmarks.html

NO 31 & 32.

Pete

That's fair, Mike, but I also think it fair to say that a title and the right to use it does not necessarily coordinate to a sizeable bank account. Indeed, I think it fair to say that human nature is such that people entitled to titles stress them in inverse proportion to the size of their bank account. There are reference sources which would allow sussing out who owned that crest, if anyone.

Dave in Main,
It would be interesting to find out about the crest.
Mike

Exactly. Triple = 3x bp provisional proof + 1x final smokeless proof was advertised as vierfach = 4x proofed in Germany.

Wrong! Everyone in Germany could have a family crest, either an old one inuse since the middle ages or he could design one, provided he did not ape an existing one. But he was not allowed to place a crown on top of the shield! Crowns of different shapes indicated rank, so their use was illegal, if you did not have the rank indicated by the crown. There were many crown shapes from the imperial crown of the Kaiser, real nobility, down to crowns for lower gentry, For example a five-tined crown for a simpple "von" without any higher title. Before you get enchanted over a coat-of-arms or initials with a crown above, you should have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(heraldry) and try to identify the rank the crown indicates.
Some hopeful Americans sent me photos of guns with a big W under a crown, thinking it must have been owned by Kaiser Wilhelm. I then had to disappoint them by telling them that this crown indicated one of the countless counts only, named Willi or Walter or so.
I would like to see a better photo of the crest, but so far I can only see a helmet over the shield, indicating no rank.

I understand now what position the reference, Vierfach/Ctyrnasobne, holds in the advertising:

Amtlich Vierfach Gepr�ft und Eingeschossen mit St�rkster ladung Rauchlosen Pulvers.

Czech version - Uredne Ctyrnasobne Zkousena a Nastrelena Nejsilnejsim Nabojem Bezd�mn�ho Prachu


An example may exist with the advertising verbiage & associated proofmarks, but I am unable to locate an example with the advertising verbiage that wears what would be considered the associated proofmarks. There just doesn't seem to be any proof in the pudding between the advertising and the stamps. I'll keep looking and maybe some of the Belgian authorities can chime in.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I failed to post this image of the left flat and to note that REBO was a trademark or telegraph for J.J. Reeb. Sometimes one sees 2 rampant stags forming an inverted V with an encircled REBO in between on their adverts.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse