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It may have been the speared crossed cannons of Manufrance I was thinking.

A image captured thru a wide magnifying glass might enhance the image. It may be a brace of cross pistols with a rifle thru it. I guess there is a probability that it might be a Lindner mark but the serial number doesn't make sense, the Action Body/A&D APUN is absent and there aren't any typical tube fitters initials, which may be hidden by the lower rib. A close inspection of the tubes along the lower rib might net a letter or 2. Also letters or number may be found around the forend hanger as well as around the grip cap on the stock. With the term "Sons" on the banner it would be post 1880 and the overhanging scear patent wasn't filed in the U.S. of A. till 1884. Any additional personal info on Lower would be most beneficial especially if there is a Schoverling, Daly & Gales connection.

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Raimey
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Seems J.P. Lower was a retail outlet for the wares of Charles E. Overbaugh and A.O. Zischang.

"Charles E.Overbaugh was a well known in shooting circles and was a Sharps exhibition shooter and the firm�s �chief traveling salesman�, and president of the New York Schutzen club."

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=274513&page=2
Charles E. Overbaugh reference along with F. Huels, Madison, Wisconsin and of course there's one or several in the "Damascus Color" thread:

"By 1885 Charles E. Overbaugh was next door neighbours to Schoverling, Daly & Gales and had to be an agent as in the early 1880s Schoverling, Daly & Gales were handling Henri Pieper's wares and this 1885 Charles E. Overbaugh gives many of the items Schoverling, Daly & Gales were peddling, especially the "Charles Daly Gun": http://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/item_desc.php?item_id=544

DGS C.E. Overbaugh thread: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...d0ddaf743c433a0 "

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post236135

It appears that John Prey Lower held Schoyen's tubes in high regard:

�The Rocky Mountain News carried word of Schoyen's death. In that story, J.P. Lower, the famous Denver outfitter during the frontier days, said of Schoyen: �That man was an artist, an artist. He was the best gunmaker in the country. You couldn't beat him anywhere. And a fine man, too......"


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Raimey
rse

As typical for the period, all eyes are on Schoverling, Daly & Gales. Either directly or indirectly, American makers sourced the concern for their sourcing lines back to "their factory" in Suhl. Schoverling, Daly & Gales was the thread that binds and I contend that he sourced a gesteck from Liege and for some reason decided to forego the APUN satellite stamping effort. He had the talented pool of craftsmen in Suhl to build it and maybe for some reason they didn't work off the serial number from the Liege craftsmen. It doesn't have the typical Lindner control stamp and to paraphrase Axel E. in the local colloquial: H.A. Lindner didn't make jack. Then it was off to NY to be imported; on to Charles E. Overbaugh where he may have assembled the completed components that arrived in separate containers. Then it was forwarded on to firearms merchant John Prey Lower. Just a premise but it is highly plausible.

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Raimey
rse

Very probable. I have an original letter written by Lower to the Sharps rifle company in which he requests "another rifle as made for Overbaugh which lies conspicously in his display case for all to admire." He was very aware of Daly's connections. There is the possibility that he, in fact, did assembly these guns, and that would account for the lack of markings. I know for a fact that he did this with Sharps Borchardts, buying up their stock. I'll get a shot of the catalog in tomorrow night. Thanks for the great imput, I appreciate all of your comments gents.

I think the probability to be very, very low, approaching zero as I'm confident that the engraving is that of Hugo Kolb and I really don't think that John Prey Lower would have sent it back. H.A. Lindner's mother was Dorothea Kolb, wife of Georg Lindner, & I assume she was the brother of Hugo Kolb. I don't think the tap, tap, tap to be that of L. D. Nimschke, more than likely the person J.P. Lower would have sourced. I don't know how much time J.P. Lower & his wife spent in Suhl, if any, in the mid 1880s, but it is possible that he could have contributed some effort then. If you ever take the stock or buttplate off there may be some initials or markings there.

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Raimey
rse

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