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The flute, I've been calling it a flare, is on most Lefevers. Very characteristic. Nice looking F with great dimensions. Enjoy it. Rich
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Silvers, Just in case you get hooked on your Lefever, think of joining the Lefever Arms Collectors Assn., newsletter every other month chock full of info, $25 dues per year. Contact me, if interested. RichardBrewster@nyc.rr.com
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The flute or whatever it's called is quite common, although it generally seems to be more common on American made guns or guns made overseas for the American market. Every one of my Superposed guns has the feature, as does my Win 101. But not my FN A1 grade Super, made for the world market. Looking through photos in my meager gun library and on the web, I see it on about 2/3 - 3/4 of all shotguns. Even rifles. Very unscientific survey, I'll admit. As common as it is, I'm surprised very few know what it's called. I never wondered about it before now. I bet Doug Mann knows.
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I did make one error in a previous post to this thread. My oldest Lefever, a rod cocker, side pivot lever, 10ga SN 10515 has a pin rather than screws. It also has bushed firing pins.
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2-piper
I have a 12 within 100 of your serial number which has bushed firing pins also. I have always suspected that mine was a later repair but now am starting to wonder. I saw another 12 with the bushed friing pins that was in the same serial number range. Wonder how many bushed firing pin Lefevers there are out there and if any were done by the factory? Aas we have said before the only rule about Lefever is that there are no real rules. You never know what you will see or find which makes them very interesting to me.
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I've heard a Spanish speaker refer to the "drop point" as a tear also. Perhaps this is a tear-producing flute or a "tear up" as in Kevin's aft/vertical formulation. Breaks the line of the comb; could it be a "pinch comb"? Vulnerable little bit of frivolity.
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KY Jon;
I have a reprinted LAC catalog with price list dated Jan 1, 1889. No mention is made in it of bushed firing pins, though there is no view showing they did not exist. It also describes the 3-position safety with lock-out screw. Mine has a "Normal" 2-position automatic safety. What safety does yours have. The illustration shows f-pin retaining pin in same location as mine. I have never disassembled this area, but have wondered why with bushed firing pins it needed a retaining pin. Apparently they are not captured from the rear or the pin serves some other purpose. Perhaps a decision was made to eliminate the bushing as the pin was in proper location to serve as retainer. Tempts one to take it apart to see.
PS; By Elliot's chronology mine should date to ca 1888.
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My gun has a two position safety also. I have seen at least four Lefevers with bushed firing pins. All seem to be of the same vintage but as Lefevers serial numbers do not always go in order you never know. Two I know the serial numbers for sure and they are near yours in age. Maybe Lefever tried the bushed firing pins as a feature and it was later dropped. Like drop points they serve little function to most users and may have been a short time selling feature that was deemed unneeded.
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Miller & Ky Jon, My Optumus quality piviot lever gun has bushed firing pins and a three position saftey. I'm really not sure of the manufature date on my gun the serial number says pre 1890 but the rib style says its a later gun so who knows. I did have Jack Haugh make new firing pins for my gun because the originals were not what they could be after 115+ years. I also had him add light coil springs to the pins so help them retract. It will give the collectors something to wonder about 50 years from now.  Doug
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Pre-1913 L.C. Smiths have the same thing. I have a 1895 Quality 2 with the same thing.  Also a 1902 Syracuse Arms 00 Grade  Guess it was common on the early guns, looks nice, but I quess it was another cost cutting step to leave it off later on. The photo of the Syracuse doesn't show that well but it is there, not as pronounced as the L.C. or the Lefever. Silvers, the 1895 L.C. has bushing with tiny screws holding the bushings in place. 
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