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Can anyone enlighten me as to when Whitworth steel began being used in gun barrels? Looking at a very early gun with fluid steel and trying to figure out whether or not it has been re-barreled at some point. Thanks!
Steve I would rather have a 1870 thru about 1910 gun with damascus barrels....after 1910 you can be pretty sure they had the bugs worked out of fluid steel.
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I have nothing against a set of damascus tubes in good shape, my most recent purchase is barreled with damascus. This gun that has me interested is an early best gun with Whitworth tubes. If they are in sound shape with sufficient wall thickness then I will feel quite comfortable shooting them.
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Quote: :Moreover, the Whitworth barrels became hot much more rapidly than the Damascus, and this is a serious drawback...I am replacing them with Damascus as in all my other guns.” " The statement that fluid steel barrels become hot quicker than damascus is probably true. But perhaps that's because the fluid steel barrels aren't vented like a piece of Swiss cheese!   Jim
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It is interesting to note that when Damascus and steel barrels were being made and exported here and abroad, the Damascus were more expensive to buy. Now it seems to me that if they were more expensive to buy, why would gun companies still use them.
Sir Joseph Whitworth barrels were put on many guns, and for the English guns, that were light, more metal had to be removed from the barrels to make the gun lighter. Since 12 ga. guns were in the 6 lb. + range, it doesn't take much shooting to get them hot.
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I would guess that the use of Whitworth steel as of that of Seimens steel would have been phased out by many gunmakers when the respective patents expired .Other manufactures of steel would then make similar steels without having to pay royalties . Don't forget that there were great strides in both steel production and the development of alloy steels around this time . You only have to look at the number of different steels that barrels are marked as to see . Purdey continued to mark their barrels as Whitworth but I think this had more to do with marketing than anything else .
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Ok Drew, we now know Whitworth steel was first used about 1880 in gunmaking. So now I need to know when did gunmakers discontinue the use of Whitworth steel in their gunmaking?? Thanks. The last Whitworth tubes used by F Beesley were delivered to him in 1924. Thereafter he used Vickers steel tubes, no doubt reflecting the takeover of Whitworths by Vickers. The last Vickers tubes were delivered to Beesley in 1937, a couple of years before they were bought by Grant & Lang. Tim
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