Jack, if you are loading for small birds and targets there are loads possible with STEEL powder that are fairly low pressure and with an ounce of shot will kill to 40 yds.If this is of interest
PM me and I'll forward the recipe.I have used this load on decoying ducks with good results.
Terry
P.S. Sorry Joe, I hate steel too but the Federallys have their office about a mile from my hunting shack....


Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.