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I cannot recall that I have ever seen an H with "Only" line engraving. The early ones I have seen, & have, have no engraving on either the plates or top lever. However those with the scroll also have a line border, squiggly, & a top lever which looks just like the one pictured. What I could not decide for sure was if this one has the scroll or if that just some light reflection ahead of the plate screw & below the cocking indicator. If there's scroll there everything else looks proper for a late H & probably right for one in the 57K range.
Note the GE pictured has only straight line engraving on plates with sunburst screw ends & only a line with embellished ends on top lever. My G in the 29K range is identical, except non ejector. The late G's were of course enhanced, but simply do not recall the difference between them & the late H's. I think though the primary difference between the two was always Damascus VS Twist, only slight differences in engraving & possibly a little better grade wood for the G.


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I bought the gun today, brought it bome and used an oil rag and wiped off the rust and swabed out the barrels and this is what I found.

The good:

1. It is an H grade
2. all the numbers match 57424, on the receiver, both barrels and fore arm.
3. the fluid barrel also has a second set of numbers which appear etched not stamped like the 57242 The eched numbers are 65804 and the last number appears stamped?

4. The barrels shine as bright as a new gun- even the damascus

5. The stock and forearm have no cracks

6. the lock up is very tight

7. the tang appears to have a point and is not rounded. If this was restocked it was a Very good job. He has owned the gun since 1951 and he said it was not restocked.

The bad:

1. there is more pitting on the outside of the barrels than I thought- it was hard to see through the red rust

2. There is two small dents in the right fluid barrel, one of which can be seen when looking down the barrel- it is very small

3. The forearm is dark- oil soaked?

4. I spent more $ than I wanted too- Just because he is 84 yrs old, he is no dummy. I went to buy two guns and left with one.



ANy ideas on a value??



















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Here is one of the sideplates of my H grade. Both border and scroll. ya never know...that Dan!

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That plate is identical to 3 H's I have all bearing an '07 patent date, two twist & one steel bbl'd. I am not sure but think this started around '05-'06, I just don't have anything handy to look at between ca '04 & '07.
sidebyeach; does your gun have the 1907 patent date on the trigger plate? Per the SN, estimated date would put it as an '06 gun. Also note the different appearence of the closeup view of bbls on doubletrouble's H grade & those on his earlier posting of the GE. Lefever catalogs as well as other gunmakers of the era all refer to those on the H as "Twist" & those on the GE as "Damascus". With the 2 numbers on the steel bbls it probably was added later & I would bet the straight grip is either a modification or re-stock.


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dubbltrubble,
"Your" H grade looks exactly like the H 16ga I sold last week to a guy in California!
Here is a picture from my photobucket account :
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/frb918/09c18be8.jpg
The H and G's I have seen in this period differ in the engraving the G's have on the frame and top lever and Like Miller say H = twist and G = damascus (usually).

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The only way to tell if stock was altered is to post a closeup of the lower tang area and a side picture of the wrist or hand area.
I think the barrel came off another Lefever and a smith when fitting it to this reciever marked the same serial number to keep from mixing up the barrels from another gun.

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oops wrong photo! Here is MY H as I got it. Sorry I too photograph on a white piece of carpet. Thought it was one of mine.


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I think it's a restock to straight grip. That trigger guard is too short and the stock looks like it has too much nose it in to be an original Lefever.

What do you guys think?

I'm not 100% sold on the short triggerguard thing when it come to the lower grade Lefevers.

Just look at this one:

http://rogerbain.com/catalog/product_inf...6f117f543b4a67f

I've been told by a lot of knowledgable people that that is a restock and I know for a fact that the gun has a short trigger guard.

But everytime I look at the stock, I think it's original.

Any other opinions on this?

Does anyone out there have a straight gripped G or H grade Lefever with a long triggerguard on it?

BTW: didn't Ithaca use sunburst pads like that? I wonder if it went back to them for a new stock with a pad on it and that's when the conversion happened.

Thanks

OWD

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OWD,
I have a G # 6x,xxx(I think) that has a original straight grip with the long triggerguard. I also have EE straight grip with a replacement buttstock but it has the identical long triggerguard and is # to the gun. The only difference is the engraving.
If I get some time I will post a pic of the G triggerguard.

Fritz

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