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Gentleman, the method in my madness relates partly to what Gunman has posted above. 3 1/4" was a fairly common chamber length for heavy English 10's of this era ( 1890) although they were black powder proofed and not at the magnum pressures of our modern 3 1/2" guns.Thus we retain some historical integrity. Being as how I reload suitable loads for virtually all my vintage guns,I don't really want to subject the action of the gun to excessive proof pressures unnecessarily. If 3 1/4" chambered guns can be nitro-proofed at the lower 900 Bar level, with the use of longer forcing cones,I would feel comfortable reloading and using 3 1/2" cases loaded to suitable pressures. This makes it easy to get and load modern components etc.
If they only re-proof 3 1/4" at the magnum level then we may have to rethink the whole process..... frown

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Originally Posted By: Tom Martin
I can't speak to the English proof rules, but SAAMI pressure standards for 2 3/4" and 3" shells are the same in 12 and 20 gauge, and for 2 7/8" and 3 1/2" 10 gauges. Because of this, it would seem to me that the same proof loads would be used for the longer chambered guns as the shorter one. Am I mistaken in this?

Tom, under SAAMI rules, I believe you're basically correct. Since the service pressure is the same for both long and short 10's, the proof pressure should also be the same--although they probably would not use 3 1/2" proof loads in a gun with a 2 7/8" chamber. That would cause a pressure increase in the short-chambered gun.














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There is no facility Under CIP rules for older 12 and 10 bores with 3 inch chambers to be reproofed at the original intended service pressures . The old 12 bore 3 inch standard [2& 3/4 magnum equivalent ] is a thing of the past I am not sure about 2 inch guns either . Standardization is all well and good for new guns but the problem seems to be that CIP is run by educated bureaucrats , not gun makers/repaires so they seemed to have missed the point of reproof . Shame .

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Thanks for all the replies.I have decided to go the 3 1/4" route as explained above. The next question that perhaps Gunman can help me with is regarding the pressures relating to black powder re-proof for both 12 and 10 gauge and again whether chamber length plays a part??? Sorry for belaboring the issue but would be interesting to know if pressures are similar or not.
BTW Gunman, I am also disappointing that the proof house is unable to recognize the issue of standard proof for vintage guns...


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