Sorry Bob-- but Dave allows us to post on pumps here-- ask HoJo from TN--maybe not in the For Sale section, but none of my M12's (or other guns for that matter) are for sale, except the parts project Baker-- Winchester did Not turn out gazillions of the almost hand-fitted Model 12, and if my 1948 era old milled rib Pigeon Grade M12 Trap gun with factory select wood and std engraving is not a 'fine gun", then I'll resign my membership in the ATA- to each his own, my "Gunsmith Kinks- to borrow a phrase from Leonard Brownell was offered in the spirit of a shared experience--nothing more--

"The field is the touchstone of the man"..