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Very few of the Prince Rudolf or Franz Josef sporting weapons exist and the verbiage is purely advertising. The appointment occurred after one submitted several examples and warranted a stout yearly fee. Being supplier to a court could be from the dog handler on up. Without strict provenance with a connection the the King or Emperor's chamber, I for one would be reluctant to believe. It's akin equating a post WWI German sporting weapon to H. G�ring.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I think you may have read more into the term royal than I usually do. Russia and AH both had more titles than the library of Alexandria. My point is, at the time it was made, half the Royal Family and most of the peasantry and commoners could not have bought it in 20 years of saving.
Regards

Interesting point and understood. I guess one would also have to factor in available hunting grounds. True, it is somewhat of a stretch/exaggeration with the hound handler but take the 1/2 that could afford a bespoke sporting weapon. Very few were in the actual possession of the emperor or king. I would think that the empire would have put a sporting weapon on their tab if they saw fit for someone with the umbrella and also I'm sure friends of the emperor or king received similar gifts. So it is possible that it might be a sporting weapon ordered by someone within a royal court. But I contend that many, even some with gold inlay, with the inscription Magyar Kir�lyi Udvari, Cs�sz�ri Es Kir�lyi Udvari Puskam�ves, k.u.k., etc. were advertising and just fluff. And the noted gunsmith wasn't under the direct employment of the court and wasn't in the castle hammering sporting weapons out one at a time. He was a subcontractor at best.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Hungarian weapons terms here:

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/hunggerm.htm

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Here is a closeup.
Bob Jurewicz

Nice image capture. Reminds me of our ole friend Charles Harvey under British Patent #1793 or 1866:




Better image by Mr. Hallquist.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post275692

So a best guess to date it would be post 1866 and pre-1871? Looks to be a carbon copy and maybe Kirner is responsible for importing or the transfer of technology of the grip-catch/Harvey/Rigby style forend latch into the Austo-Hungarian empire? Let's see the forend latch there Bob.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimy,
Forend is appart for wood repair. The forend iron is hinge pinned to the front of the receiver. It pivots down when gun is opened. The barrels are pinned to the mid of the forend. That is how I broke the wood (damn) when I was trying to slide-tap the pin thru the barrel's underloop.
Bob Jurewicz

Bob: could you please post a close up of the barrels? That is a very interesting pattern and might be acid etched Ferlacher Austria II (below) or Bernard I

This one shows the barrel pattern and the pinning of the forend iron.

Hate that about the wood Bob. Maybe it was a learning experience? Could you provide us with an image of the hammers back and one of the standing breech? Interesting bump on the forend iron.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse