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Long Range Hyperbole #276509 04/28/12 09:17 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,759 Likes: 462 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause OP Sidelock
OP Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,759 Likes: 462 AZ but dreaming of KS	Dr Jim has completed the review of the Smith Long Range Wild Fowl production, and he, David Williamson, and I are working on an article. Hunter Arms claimed �the combination of special Smith-bored barrels and high-power 3� shell hurls a close-patterned charge that makes clean kills consistently at 80 yards.� A 1927 ad for the �Davis Hy-Power� by Davis-Warner Arms Corporation claimed an �Effective Range 60 to 80 Yards� with 3-inch high power shells. HE Super Fox catalog: "This gun used with factory loaded shells of any progressive burning powder gives patterns never before attained at forty, fifty and sixty yards and above. It is bored and chambered to shoot any cartridge of 2 3/4 inch and will be chambered for 3-inch cases to order. All stock guns are bored full choke, with a guaranteed pattern of from 80 to 85 per cent, with shells recommended for this Gun." The cover of the Super Fox booklet shows a pattern of 59% in a 30� circle at 60 yards with No. 4 shot. Anyone with advertisments for other doubles claiming extended effective range? 3" Ithaca NID? Greener Far Killer? Researcher? Has anyone pattern tested a Super Fox at 60 yards? Thanks to all! And the 'whopper award' to the Woolwich Last edited by Drew Hause; 04/28/12 12:12 PM. https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Long Range Hyperbole Drew Hause #276512 04/28/12 09:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,733 Likes: 211 Alaska Mike Harrell Sidelock
Mike Harrell Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,733 Likes: 211 Alaska	I believe Greener also claimed up to 80 yds.

Re: Long Range Hyperbole Drew Hause #276561 04/28/12 05:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,759 Likes: 462 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause OP Sidelock
OP Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,759 Likes: 462 AZ but dreaming of KS	Thank you Mike. Cornell Pubs has a reprint of the 1924 Greener catalog, which includes the Far Killer. http://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/item_desc.php?item_id=1250 Anyone have one, and could share the description? Last edited by Drew Hause; 04/28/12 05:47 PM. https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Long Range Hyperbole Drew Hause #276631 04/29/12 09:09 AM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14 R. Imbleau Boxlock
R. Imbleau Boxlock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14	same exaggeration

Re: Long Range Hyperbole Drew Hause #276634 04/29/12 09:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,759 Likes: 462 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause OP Sidelock
OP Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,759 Likes: 462 AZ but dreaming of KS	Thank you! Is the text "Specially built for 3-in cartridges shooting 1 1/2 ozs." or 1 1/4 ozs.? Were 1 1/2 oz. loads available in 1922? https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Long Range Hyperbole Drew Hause #276639 04/29/12 11:06 AM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14 R. Imbleau Boxlock
R. Imbleau Boxlock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14	These gun were proofed for 1 1/2 oz. loads.

Re: Long Range Hyperbole R. Imbleau #276640 04/29/12 11:16 AM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14 R. Imbleau Boxlock
R. Imbleau Boxlock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 14	An example

Re: Long Range Hyperbole R. Imbleau #276664 04/29/12 03:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,946 Likes: 144 WA/AK Researcher Sidelock
Researcher Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,946 Likes: 144 WA/AK	The North American ammunition manufacturers, with Western Cartridge Co. leading the way with their Super-X loads, introduced progressive burning powder high velocity loads in 1922. The early Western Super-X loads were the 1 1/4 ounce in their 12-gauge 2 3/4 inch Field shell -- and the 1 ounce load in their 20-gauge 2 3/4 inch shell. The early Super-Fox brochure only discusses the 12-gauge -- By 1923 the 16-gauge Super-X load of 1 1/8 ounce of shot was introduced, put up in the 2 9/16 inch Field shell. They were a bit slow on getting the 12-gauge 3-inch Super-X load of 1 3/8 ounce of shot in their 3-inch Record shell out, but pretty soon the Super-Fox brochures and A.H. Fox Gun Co. catalogues had this inserted -- and these shells were appearing on dealers shelves -- By the 1925 Super-Fox brochure, the A.H. Fox Gun Co. included the 20-gauge on the cover and on the specifications page, but they didn't change any of the text on the other 18 pages of the brochure -- Have I babbled enough? Last edited by Researcher; 04/29/12 05:34 PM.

Re: Long Range Hyperbole Drew Hause #276670 04/29/12 04:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 329 Ringoes, New Jersey Claybird Sidelock
Claybird Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 329 Ringoes, New Jersey	The style of the Woolwich advert reminded me of the Herter's catalogs from the 50's and 60s. Rob NRA Benefactor Member

Re: Long Range Hyperbole Researcher #276684 04/29/12 07:51 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114 Michigan Run With The Fox Sidelock
Run With The Fox Sidelock Joined: May 2008 Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114 Michigan	Originally Posted By: Researcher The North American ammunition manufacturers, with Western Cartridge Co. leading the way with their Super-X loads, introduced progressive burning powder high velocity loads in 1922. The early Western Super-X loads were the 1 1/4 ounce in their 12-gauge 2 3/4 inch Field shell -- and the 1 ounce load in their 20-gauge 2 3/4 inch shell. The early Super-Fox brochure only discusses the 12-gauge -- By 1923 the 16-gauge Super-X load of 1 1/8 ounce of shot was introduced, put up in the 2 9/16 inch Field shell. They were a bit slow on getting the 12-gauge 3-inch Super-X load of 1 3/8 ounce of shot in their 3-inch Record shell out, but pretty soon the Super-Fox brochures and A.H. Fox Gun Co. catalogues had this inserted -- and these shells were appearing on dealers shelves -- By the 1925 Super-Fox brochure, the A.H. Fox Gun Co. included the 20-gauge on the cover and on the specifications page, but they didn't change any of the text on the other 18 pages of the brochure -- Have I babbled enough? No-- babble on- this is a great thread, and as an owner 9and shooter) of two Pre-`1951Model 12 3" Magnums, I want to know if Winchester jumped into this river of hyperbole (whatever that might be) in 1935 when they brought out that "souped up M12"-- "The field is the touchstone of the man"..

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