Gnomon, the world does not appear strictly black and white to me any more than it does to you. Since there are seldom any candidates for political office who are identical to ourselves in their thinking, we are almost always forced to compromise, unless of course, we run for office and vote for ourself. My whole beef with you is that you repeatedly attempt to portray Obama as a candidate who is not a threat to the Second Amendment. If that is not stupid, it would have to be conniving and dishonest. His record as an Illinois legislator and as a Senator is 100% anti-gun. His choices for Supreme Court nominees, Attorney General, and ATF Director are equally anti-gun. His justice departments' Amicus Curiae brief in Heller was anti-gun. His administration committed multiple felonies in Operation Fast and Furious in an attempt to paint the gun industry and gun culture in the U.S. as being responsible for gun violence in Mexico.

You apparently choose to overlook those sins when a candidate supports the failed liberal causes that you support. No matter how you slice it, the bloated budget will come at the expense of the working poor AND the working rich. The entitlement society that you liberals love has created a huge segment of folks feeding at the trough of government largess, and they do not pay their way. I have no problem with supporting the truly handicapped, but the majority of the people on the dole could and would find work if they were not addicted to free handouts. This, of course, includes poor General Electric which was a huge Obama supporter and paid no income taxes last year. Your pal Obama's disdain for anti-illegal immigrant laws such as Arizona passed does help supress wages and create competition for the unemployed who might actually wish to work. But all of this is a subject for debate in Misfires. We are talking about maintaining the right to gun ownership, a matter that affects our ability to purchase, own, and enjoy our Doublesguns as much as any other gun. So let's stay on topic...

When I go to vote, and make my inevitable compromises, I typically go with the candidate who supports and defends the Second Amendment over all else. I decided a long time ago that any candidate who is too stupid or too dishonest to understand that simple Constitutional Right is probably too stupid or dishonest to be trusted on any other position. I believe that one right is too precious to compromise, and offers us the greatest protection to maintain all of the other Constitutional rights. The simple fact that so many of us own guns (probably much higher than in the poll you provided) is a wonderful insurance policy and a great deterrant against any future tyrant or dictator's attempt to dismantle the Constitution. I'd bet that most of the citizenry in Russia, Germany, or China did not foresee that a handful of thugs could enslave and exterminate over 100 million people.

But you Gnomon, apparently don't see it that way. I'm not as smart as you profess to be, (smarter than any one of us, and probably smarter than all of us combined judging from your recent statement in another thread.)so I can't yet see how increased unemployment, 17 million more on food stamps, a doubling of gas prices, and a single payer health care system will make the U.S. more competitive. You feel those types of things are more important than gun rights. Fine. Thankfully you only have one vote, unless you are casting multiple votes under the guise of dead Democrats... another policy you surreptiously support.

But you repeatedly come here, on a Firearms Forum, and try to tell us that Obama is not a threat to our gun rights.

That is either stupid or dishonest. If you feel that telling the truth is name-calling, so be it. I'll find a way to cope.


Voting for anti-gun Democrats is dumber than giving treats to a dog that shits on a Persian Rug