great,thanks,I'm going to see about ordering it and another I found on line about scotts.rather interested in this Kell engraving,have you heard anything about Holland and Holland possibly having info on guns produced by scott,serial number wise?I'm going to have to start printng out some info I find while surfing net,getting old cant remember where I was on some sites Thanks once again.If i ever get caught up at work.i'll post pictures of Ithica,hopefully this weekend.