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I have a Remington 1894 FE trap. If anyone has information about the barrel markings on the underside of the barrels I would appreciate you sharing it with me. The markings are"
F (grade) E (ejectors) and D (damascus?) However these are not damascus barrels. Also there are 3 hash marks above the F. I will try to post a photo if I can figure out Joe's instructions.

No one, including Charles Semmer who wrote the book Remington Double Shotguns, has decoded all the various markings found on the bottoms of the barrel tubes of Remington doubles.

Charles shows a bunch of different markings in his book, and these are the markings on my Remington Hammerless Doubles --

1906 12-gauge KE-Grade has /// K E Y

1907 12-gauge KE-Grade has L K E Y

1909 16-gauge KE-Grade has X K E A1

1896 12-gauge AE-Grade has P A

1906 12-gauge FE Trap has /// F E G 13

1894 12-gauge BE-Grade has B J and a poorly struck E or an F

1907 CEO-Grade 12-gauge has /// M

1905 DEO-Grade 16-gauge has X O

In some cases you can get the grade as in the KE and FE. My BE-Grade has Chain Damascus barrels, and on the Remington Damascus salesman sample the Chain Damascus is labeled CHAIN J. So, B for the grade, J for the barrel material and E for ejectors?!? Hmmm....

Thank you, I knew from some research that R or O meant steel barrels, so I assumed the D was supposed to mean damascus. This is a straight grip, double ivory bead, wide rib gun I guess was meant for trap or pigeons. The buttstock has a thick comb. I will post a pic of this gun if I can.
GW

"J for the barrel material?" Researcher may be correct

Remington had one 'J' and several 'SJ' patterns, and I have no definitive answer as to whom 'J' or 'SJ were

NAMED PATTERNS used by Remington were London (Stub Twist), Twist, Laminated, Boston N. (Horse-shoe pattern), Boston 2 S.J. (2 Iron Crolle), Oxford 2 & 4 S.J. (2 & 3 Iron Crolle in several different patterns), Chain J, Etoile 3. B.P., Legia P. (Herring-bone pattern), Washington N 3. B.P. ("Stars & Stripes" or "American Flag Bunting"), Chine P ('mottled'), Ohonon 6 S.T., and Pieper P.
The Remington Damascus salesman's sample rod is shown on p. 275 of Charles Semmer's Remington Double Shotguns.

Remington damascus barrels with possible Belgian maker's marks include 'HP', frequently found on Oxford 4, likely Henri Pieper. Pieper had a separate barrel factory in Nessonvaux. Oxford patterns are used from the Model 1876 to the 1900 KED.
A grade and Etoile pattern 1894s are found with a fused 'JP', possibly the mark of J. Pire & Cie, a large munitions firm established in Liege in 1885.
The significance of 'S.J.' (Boston 2 and Oxford 2 & 4) is uncertain, but could be Simonis-Janssen. Albert Simonis, J. Janssen & Demoulin Fils was established in 1883 and used the mark 'S.J.& D.'
The meaning of 'B.P.' (Washington N and Etoile) is unclear. Claude Gaier's "Four Centuries of Liege Gunmaking" states that Ernest Heuse-Lemoine of Nessonvaux named both "Washington" and "Boston" patterns for the US market. Boston N. and Boston 2 first appear on the Model 1878. Washington patterns are also found on Lefever and Ithaca guns.
There were at least 20 different Belgian companies that operated under the name Thonon from approximately 1836 to 1941. At least one, Fernand Thonon & Co. was the proud distributor of arms to courts of Italy and the court of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.

More here http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfg2hmx7_72xs856hdf

Remington catalogues of the period state that Remington Steel was of their manufacture.

those marking have puzzled me too.
I have an 1894 CEO with ordinance steel barrels with the following marks ///CEY