W Greener and his son WW Greener fell out so the story goes over the advent of breech loaders .. The old man thought that they were a passing fad and would not catch on .On his death WW bought out or took over the remains of his Fathers buisiness.W Greener started working in Newcastle on Tyne and WW was born there but he moved to Birmingham to be closer to the main trade.
In Newcastle Greener is rather forgotten as he was over shadowed by the later W R Pape .